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What makes you think it's a FSD Beta at-fault crash? Is it because if not, it would be "Other Vehicle Fault?" Here's the entries for Tesla with Fatality from August 2022 to August 2023 from the Standing General Order ADAS data: Unclear if these 12 include the 1 "FSD-Beta Crash" of 14...

Wow! So impressed by 12.3.4 on a local highway 55 mph signaling to cross double yellow lines just like two vehicles in front of us to go around a slow moving construction vehicle after oncoming traffic cleared. Very smooth without any hesitation. Back to driving.

I wonder why not call 12.4 as the next version 13? I don't think anything has been assigned for number 13 yet (unlike single stack 11.x that led to odd 10.69-type versioning), so I guess it's to give a hint that it's still fundamentally the same 12.x end-to-end architecture? What should be the...

I wonder what happened to the "IRA" 1908800-00-A? All 4 were labeled 1450758-00-H. Don't seem to be energized with lights off, and release button didn't work, but seems like touchscreen to unlock charge port eventually got it unlatched after various warnings showed up. Stall lines (perpendicular...

Yeah, given that the path visualization can change every frame but seems to have around 11 frame / 0.35s delay, it'll be interesting if people notice this affecting other behaviors of 12.x? For example, is the decision wobble of making a lane change or getting into a turn lane somewhat caused by...

Why do you think there's an A and B for other things like Infotainment? Why do you think the size reported would need to change for Autopilot behavior changes? Why do you think one bank is selected over the other? It seems like these are separate storage for handling updates so that it can...

Sorry poor wording on my part. The left screenshot shows a dark black line at the end of the blue path indicating FSD was planning to stop probably because the light was red. But indeed the acceleration was always positive as it was still pulling up to its stop line, and before it got there, it...

As in why did it not continue to make a full stop when it was still showing red? There's been other cases where 12.x treats stops as yields, but it was stopping initially and continued with the green (with the incorrect belief that the pedestrian would continue to stay still): This could be...

Neural networks learn things in different ways, and it's not surprising for 12.x to have misunderstood the behavior. End-to-end has needed to learn to make a turn on green… except yield when there's a pedestrian… except continue if the pedestrian hasn't moved for a while… except if the walk...

ChatGPT and other AI systems make use of reinforcement learning with human feedback (RLHF) where people can indicate when the system did something wrong to fine-tune future behaviors to avoid the mistakes. Video data collected from Tesla fleet actively using FSD is easily annotated for when...

For those who have and haven't gotten the camera retrofit, does "service" mode correctly indicate which cameras you have? I would guess it should show RCCB or RCCC? Not sure which vehicle software added this, but I would guess MCU1 might not have this display? Trying to figure out if at least...

Are you still experiencing this with 12.3.3? And was this on the local highway? I experienced the worst 12.x today with multiple unnecessary drifting out of the lane on a highway here with 45mph speed limit. Probably 5 times on the round-trip it went into the shoulder then the dirt and 1 time...

Especially with end-to-end, there's plenty of signs and other visual cues that 11.x visualizations don't show. It's a separate issue of whether 12.x understands and controls appropriately, but that should continuously improve with more disengagements and training.

Are you thinking it can "read" the words "STOP" but not "except right turn?" It doesn't need map data to indicate it's a free right turn to pick up on visual cues of lack of stop line and extra signage next to the stop sign, etc. There's other examples of 12.x ignoring plain stop signs and only...

These "faster lane" messages for what FSD is doing means 11.x stack is active, so that's another indication 12.x has switched from city streets to freeway. Yesterday I saw a rare / new-ish message "Changing lanes to avoid neighboring vehicle" (added in some 11.4.9?) immediately when AUTO max...

Given that 12.3.4 initially followed the road to the right, it seems to have understood that it didn't need to stop: But then it realized navigation says to go left/straight, and I suppose by that point, it was already past the stop sign?

Have people noticed indecision wobble more (only?) with the turn signal engaged? It somewhat seems like end-to-end can confuse itself as the turn signal could mean either taking an upcoming turn or to switch lanes. At an intersection here with two left turn lanes where the outer lane can also go...

2024.3.15 / 12.3.4 is newly adding vehicles that haven't been able to get any 12.x yet. This includes legacy S/X that have MCU2 as well as new Model 3 with HW4. TeslaFi shows some other vehicles getting it (including a Model Y) from 2024.3.10 / 12.3.3 because Tesla tends to test new versions...

Teslascope is showing vehicles getting 12.3.4 are coming from 2023.44.30.14 and 2024.2.7 (mostly legacy S/X) as well as 2024.2.13, 2024.2.100, 2024.2.200 (mostly HW4 Model 3). As long as you're not on 2024.8.x, MCU2 should be getting this. TeslaFi currently shows 575 S/X pending 2024.3.15, and...

You can view TeslaFi details for a given version to see what countries and vehicles are getting it. It's a bit more work to figure out what's not getting a particular version, but so far it seems like 2024.8.x hasn't really gone to the new Model 3 in US, so TeslaFi shows these as "3 Highland"...

The employee(?) vehicle that shows up on TeslaInfo seems to be on 2024.3.15 but release notes only mention "Minor Fixes" so unclear if this is the same 12.3.4? Tesla 2024.3.15 Release Notes Given Tesla's previous release patterns, 12.3.1, 12.3.2.1 and 12.3.3 were relatively unchanged in FSD...

Do people end up disengaging and leaving a voice drive-note? Hopefully Tesla has some generic data collection trigger to detect unnecessary indecision to reduce various forms of wobble. In some sense, either lane of dual turns could be equally good choices, so a prediction of say 45% inner lane...

Yeah, we don't really know how many more people are using FSD with free trial versus how much more people are using 12.x compared to 11.x. There's also some complication of 12.x still being rolled out, e.g., to those on newer software or older vehicles. The extrapolation I used was 300M mi/mo...

Maybe my description of encroaching was too generous, but these are cases of 12.3.3 switching lanes in the intersection if I did not disengage when it starts to encroach. Here's a couple examples of approaching the intersection that I made sure was safe to allow it to continue straight instead...

Does this count as 12.3.3 driving over the curb? I definitely heard and felt the drop, but I suppose at least it entered at the crosswalk ramp… Perhaps I should be more careful with the X as it's the widest especially at the rear? Model 3 seems to be 72.8" excluding mirror (presumably fully...

I tried estimating the monthly mileage based on actual dates from quarterly reports and simple extrapolation from the partial April 2024 numbers: Original FSD Transfer and price drop to $12k were both September 2023, and that does seem to have resulted in nearly 10% boost in monthly miles. The...

How's people experiences with 12.x handling multiple straight lanes that shift across the intersection? I estimate that most of them 12.3.3 incorrectly drives directly straight instead of angling, so it often encroaches on the adjacent lane also going straight. There's even some cases where the...

From a given version page like 2024.8.7, the bottom table has individual vehicle entries that indicate the Country, so you can count those up if you have specific other details to check like Model. Towards the middle of the page has "Current Installs" with a map where just below that, you can...

Only Tesla has those numbers, but of those who are on TeslaFi showing up as United States with HW3/4 on the top 10 common versions (includes nearly 95% of TeslaFi vehicles): 65% have some FSD 12.x 16% are on 2024.8.x 10% are on some other 2023.44.x 8% are on 2024.2.x There are still pending...

TeslaFi general audience is biased towards USA as across all software versions, about 60% of its users are in US/Canada. Focusing on 2024.8.x, it does show United States is the most common country, but as a percentage, it's "only" 20% with the rest spread across 65+ other countries. Part of the...

Half of the cars aren't even in US/Canada to use FSD anyway. Almost all getting 2024.8.9 were already on some 2024.8.x, and that mostly went to those outside of North America. But indeed there's some vehicles capable of FSD that need to wait for Tesla to update 12.x to be on 2024.8.10 or newer...

Unfortunately so far seems to be the case: The highest urgency seemed to have been for recently delivered S/X/Y with 2024.3.6 / 12.3.2.1 then 2024.3.10 / 12.3.3 releases. The next largest group that hasn't gotten any 12.x seems to be those with vehicle software on 2024.8.x, and it might be...

I previously tested manual turn signals and estimated 60% success at stop signs and 10% at other intersections. I've even gotten 12.3.3 to turn into parking lots and driveways too with a manual turn signal although it tends to be a bit more jerky than other turns with it deciding between staying...

Anyone else try 12.x on 2-lane 1-way streets? 12.3.3 keeps suddenly switching from the left lane without signaling. I'm guessing it's because there's slight curves that it can't see ahead, so it assumes the left lane ends. Similarly at some intersections, the lanes shift to the left on the other...

Not sure why the x-axis has uneven intervals (some 10 months others 3 months), but assuming the lines/points are still accurate and putting in actual dates from the quarterly reports, the previous increase started in March 2023 with the rollout of single stack 11.x including freeways. FSD Beta...

As in manual mode doesn't keep up? Yeah, the specific examples I mentioned were cases where maximum +30% manual offset would have been have been insufficient: 25mph -> 32mph and 30 -> 39, so AUTO's higher +50% offset allows it to go the appropriate speeds that others are going. I did experience...

Compared to the other FSD cumulative mileage charts shared in quarterly updates with data points for each month, this one seems to be more granular reflecting a partial month of April and sudden increase in slope mid-March for 12.x rolling out to existing customers and new free trials...

Has Tesla said they use simulations for training end-to-end? Just because something like complete stops is rare (~0.5% per Ashok Elluswamy during the V12 livestream from August), given Tesla's fleet performing say even 1 million stops a day is still 5000 examples/day. Unclear how many examples...

I've switched back to AUTO set speed as more often 12.3.3 correctly goes the faster speed that other vehicles are going than the times when I need to manually slow it down. With 11.x, I've needed to adjust the speed up when turning from a residential street and map data incorrectly believes the...

Most of it should be on FSD Computer, but given people's experiences with 2022.8.10.10 (and .15/.20) / FSD Beta 10.69.3.3, I believe at least the visualizations run at a lower framerate but driving behavior might be similar enough to MCU2 on the same 10.x. If it really had been a visualization...

Similar to training 11.x perception that a vehicle is a bus and not a car, reinforcement learning for end-to-end can adjust control to favor a good example and avoid bad examples. For example, if 11.x had a prediction that a vehicle was 40% bus, 45% semi, 10% car, etc., the training data label...

From what he has said, portrait S/X version of 12.x is going through validation, so there doesn't seem to be a hard blocker like lack of interior camera. If it's like 11.x releases, MCU2 will probably get it before MCU1 and generally independent of year. 12.3.3 has been spotted on 2017 Model 3...

What speed do you want 12.x to go? The current behavior of either Automatic Set Speed Offset or the manual Percentage Offset is to let end-to-end decide if it should go slower than the set speed and up to a percentage above the detected speed limit. For a 40mph speed limit, Automatic by default...

Have people tried 12.x off road? Maybe something safer to do with Cybertruck when end-to-end is validated for that?

Do we know if Rohan Patel has also been referring to MCU1 vehicles for validating FSD Supervised?

In case you were actually confused, most of the US/Canada HW3/4 vehicles getting 2024.8.7 were already on 2024.8.4, so they couldn't get 2024.3.10 / 12.3.3 anyway. The rest of the vehicles getting that update are ineligible for 12.x for region (outside of North America) or hardware (older than...

Interesting. There was an example of 12.2.1 potentially getting confused by US 101 signs from almost a month ago, but seems to be common enough in California to know not to set the speed limit to 101. It seemed to have been confused by a passing vehicle blocking the right side of the sign...

The UX isn't great with 12.x Automatic Set Speed Offset, but it seems like you've turned that on effectively telling FSD it's allowed to go 50% above the speed limit. If you don't want it to go faster than 35 in 35, set the percentage offset to 0% instead. The guardrail C++ code you describe...

If these are your common problematic speed limits, given that we only have percentage offset to work with, you can pick either 30% for max 39 in 30 or 26% for max 44 in 35. Makes sense that you think AUTO is too fast as the effective max with 50% offset is 45 in 30 and 53 in 35. Presumably given...

Tesla rolls out vehicle software updates in various ways. Typically FSD Beta updates have been "pushed" to vehicles bypassing the 24 hour check, but perhaps for those already on some 12.x, 2024.3.10 can also be "pulled" with the vehicle asking Tesla servers if there's an update available. Both...