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Confused. My 22 (June but based on early 21 pricing) did not come with EAP as EAP did not (re)exist until like mid to late 22. Only option you had until like fall of this year was FSD and no way in hell would I be dumb enough not to pay for that. This is a US statement as I understand other...

How many “real truck guys” are there tho? Pretty sure most truck people use it to got to the mall and Starbucks and maybe once every 5 years go to Home Depot and get something that might require 1/3 of the bed. Very few people really do Truck Stuff with trucks. Been that way for several decades

I never understood this argument as cars are not investments

Bro. Where have you been?? Used cars have been just as (and some cases more) expensive as new due to supply constraints for like over a year. Are you in the US? Otherwise your statement is ….odd.

Why would you prefer a car to be made in Canada vs. Mexico? I am assuming you are not Canadian, of course but then the question would be why the US then. For me I prefer a car made in the US otherwise what’s the difference?

Pretty sure the Model Y doesn’t have longer range…EPA “range” doesn’t mean much. In real world driving a couple of cars on that list match or beat the Y’s range thus I wouldn’t tout that aspect much in these (senseless IMO) comparisons.

Bru. In the US/NA market most (virtually all) EVs that have been released and will be released in the near future have CCS. End of story. It simply makes zero sense to arbitrarily make one vendors proprietary connector the standard. Even more so when ALL other OEMs vehicles in the region use...

This is dumb. Why have Tesla nozzle as the standard when CCS is already the standard for every other OEM? This petition make no sense to me

Hard disagree on the early adopter phase comment. we are still before the “chasm” as it pertains to charging networks. I live in Michigan and driving to West Tennessee/northern Mississippi (~800mi) while doable still requires me to stop at times I wouldn’t normally do so with an ICE - thus...

Like steering into concrete columns. Design issues

Ok? I guess ?? Just so long as people can distinguish fact (SAE Level definitions) vs random marketing (utterly useless non definitions that seem to shift). I guess I only understand levels in context of what they are (ie what the SAE says) and not what OEMs “say”

Not sure I follow. L3 or L4 doesn’t necessarily speak to hwy or city street scenarios rather differing responsibility levels for driver and OEM. Am I miss understanding your point?

Huh? Bro so you’re saying FSD is L5? WTF?!? FSD appears to only be striving for L3 ok cool. By the way, I have ocean beach front property for sell in Nevada for sell - pending massive earthquake that will split Cali from mainland.

Can you buy a robotaxi from any vendor today?

Are you sure it’s a stretch? Have you not watched the news the last 18 months? Had people saying some things that were obviously false but hey, let’s not become Russia? Dude we’re already there. This hit piece article from inside edition is par for the course. Nothing to see here

Orderd late Aug2021

Either way I am ejecting myself from this thread as I finally picked up my MSM S LR today! Loving it so far! Had a 477 VIN but no tilt screen (despite the advisor assuring me it was in my April 15 build) but everything else is super dope and a big upgrade (initial quality) vs. my M3P which was...

? I mean if the dude is a non native English speaker I guess I get it but the grammar is so bad I am left guessing what bro is on about. If you get what he is saying can you translate for me? Thanks!

Is this even English? What are you saying?

If you went through Alliant this is normal. Apparently the interest rate for Tesla’s are .2% hire. I had the same happen to me (and everyone else that I have known go through them) where I get one rate and not 10 min later get a phone call from them saying,”oops, we didn’t realize this was for a...

? Not following your logic. By your own understanding Tesla did the exact same thing (for presumably same reason) so how is this different again?

In the Midwest my “310” mile 2018 MP3 gets ~170 to 180 mi in fall/winter at normal hwy speeds.

Is a Hellcat Redeye a “luxury “ car?

What’s the SEC violation here? Raising prices? If that’s the case name me publicly traded company that’s hasent raised prices ridiculously last several months? also I don’t see the SEC picking on Tesla. You had the CEO of a publicly traded company making up stuff to manipulate the stock price...

I see you haven’t tried to buy a car recently (new or used). Wife was looking to trade in Jeep for a new bronco….until we saw the dealer markup. $55k Bad Land all of a sudden dealer wants $70 to guarantee the bronco (with delivery “sometime” this year, like wtf?!?). Either way inflation is real...

Wow, he is truly awesome as according to your post Biden invented time travel. Start WWII? Lol! You trumpers need help. Lol!

Actually think he is doing well. Much better than that mistake we had in office immediately before…

Inconvenient Facts…

You do know that people buy sports cars for more reasons than 0-60. In fact I would say that wouldn’t be the most notable reason for the typical sports car buyer - ie Porche drivers don’t buy Porche based on speed- it’s the drive. However I suspect people unfamiliar with sports cars may not get...

Not a fan of CUVs thus not really into MachE, Model Y, or any of that boring form factor. BUT, I have to question your logic on road-trip charging. Who charges post 80% on a road trip? I mean I agree it sucks that Ford throttle charging past 80% but A) most EVs do that to varying degrees (fords...

Not sure I understand what you mean when you say Rivian has a non existent charging network. You know they use CCS, right? Which means they can use EA,Evgo etc…

Not sure if you are tracking. So let me make this easy for you. A) I agree, Tesla’s are more efficient, generally - Lucid and Mercedes may disagree. Thus yes a Tesla with a given battery size should get more “EPA” range vs a similar car with a similar battery size. BUT B) above is irrelevant...

Lol what??? The reason people rarely (never?) get the stated Tesla’s range has to do with what cycles Tesla quotes from the standard EPA tests. While Teslas are generally the most efficient EVs, they do not get the best range vs contemporary EVs in real world conditions. Long story short they...

To be fair most other current EVs vendors get their listed range (or actually noticeably higher in the case of Porche). Tesla seems to be the only current EV vendor with “optimistic” range statements. Note I also have a (2018) M3P and I never get close to the stated 310mi when I bought it. Yet...

Exactly! Different cars for probably different buyers

I don’t think Porsche is all that focused on acceleration as much as making sure the Taycan checks all the boxes for sports car driving experience. I have not driven the Plaid S but I have driven Taycan 4S and I can say the driving experience (cornering, braking, and feel) are quite a bit better...

Bingo! My point exactly. Hoping for/waiting for OEMs to jump into the charging pool is not supportable when you talk scale . Oh you can muddle through when you are new and have to build initial infra to support adoption (ie Tesla) but once you cross the chasm that one off st won’t work (for all...

If you think that OEM owned charging is a good, scalable path forward we’ll good for you. As for me this is literally the dumbest idea imaginable AT SCALE and will very likely lead to splintered charging standards and thus slowed EV adoption long term. But whatevs..

Different scenario. And are you suggesting we should have OEMs be responsible for charging networks?? Are you serious? Why not have multiple standards while we are at it. No, anything other than 3rd party (maybe govt?) owned charging network would run into serious scale challenges when EVs are a...

makes no sense for OEM’s to get involved in DCFC.

Unless you bought your Tesla 3 years ago there is no free SC. As far as I can tell anything after 2018 is paid SC

I’m confused. Who compared Tesla with Rivian? Not sure I see where anyone stated this or (assuming English is your native language) even implied this. Did you mean to quote my post?

Probably so. Like a lot of these EV startups in think the valuations are out of whack personally. Market correction (including Tesla) may be coming by Q1 2022 would be my uneducated guess.

Rivian will not collaborate with Ford on EVs

Really? The stock dropped because the pre final version of the delivery vehicle allegedly has 40% loss when environmental (ac/heat) is on??? Funny. I thought it had more to do with the Ford announcement. Stupid me. Any other stock analysis you wanna give. Lol!

I’m confused. What does this have to do with the R1S or R1T? Please be specific….

Exactly. A Charger Hellcat is expensive (more than many Mercedes for example) but it not classified as a luxury car by anyone. Just becouse it cost more money (except for speeding tickets of course) or will save you time traveling from point to point (really fast car) no one will call it a...

Tesla isn’t really luxury by traditional measures. Quality of build, materials, creature comforts, and quietness of cabin are all key hallmarks of luxury that Tesla doesn’t particular excel in )especially the first and last points). Teslas just cost the same as luxury cars. You are paying for...

Really? You realize the auto market is HUGE. And some countries and regions (cough China and Europe) are not exactly laissez faire so there will always be fragmentation in auto - always. And again Apple can literally buy their way in…with cash. Let that sink in - as in they could buy ford or...

How can Apple (or any company) be too late to compete? The auto automotive space is NOT analogous to a network model where speed to entry conveys an advantage. Scale and cost containment are far more important given that auto is very fragmented with too many different use scenarios. I get really...