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Yeah, my 23' model X isn't exactly floaty over the road and certainly does have some bumps/vibrations/ and road noise. I feel it is tolerable and acceptable considering I test drove the exact demo car. As a new car company it's pretty obvious and especially with my 18 model 3, Tesla really does...

FSD is junk and will take another 5+ years before it is polished enough for the average driver. It’s just not that great IMO

Any damage to the sidewall of tires is a big no no for driving.

I agree. The current build is fundamentally doomed. The current build improves with smoothness and overall user satisfaction with the highway city stack merge. Un protected lefts, right hand turns, stop sign intersection interactions, route planning, lane selection, map data, speed data all...

The human factor is I see a car approaching fast with no cars behind it so I wait. Tesla FSD acts like it doesn't see the car approaching, and decides to turn in front of the car and I come within a car length of being hit. Or as it's done, it starts to pull out and then slams on the brakes...

The turns my car struggle with are not blind, you can clearly see traffic on either side. The car still makes unsafe turn decisions. Why does it do this if the car is accurately modeling a 3d vector space around it? It baffles me every time. The poor lane decisions, bad speed limits, and other...

An aware driver is much safer than FSD in it's current state. Doesn't matter if it has 15 cameras, from my experience something is either wrong in the design of the B pillar cameras or the software is fatally flawed. Majority of the time my unprotected left or right hand turns onto a 55mph...

I gotta say, I'm on 11.3.6 and it's pretty bad. After using it for two months now I can say that I drive manual way more often. FSD 11.x has got a loooong ways to go in my honest opinion. I'm having my doubts about it ever being able to actually be a safe FSD car. Here are some key points...

On my Model X I have the same similar issue with the climate control. 72 feels much hotter on certain days. Wonder if it's bad placement of the temperature sensor in the car? Sometimes 72 is way too cold and sometimes it is way to hot.

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I subbed to try FSD 11.3.6 over the past few weeks in my area with one 300 mile road trip. It’s really neat beta software that does make road trip highway driving nicer. For my daily drive currently, it’s just too expensive and doesn’t add enough value. Too many interventions in my local town...

Yeah I'm just speaking for the average American who drives ~10 hours per week.

Trust the trip planner. It will be extremely accurate. If you won't make it the car will tell you what to do, honestly better than you could. CCS network is awful, avoid at all costs.

But the argument is two fold - you spend so little time in your car, as Elon stated. Why spend such a large amount of your annual income on a feature that you will only use for maybe up to 10 hours of your entire life weekly? You can already voice to text. You can already conduct phone calls...

Understood, I'm on no such plan nor do I know if I have the option to be on that plan. Also, I no longer live in Raleigh - I live further east closer to the beach. Will have to check into the TOU plan.

I think that is a great summarization. We all have our own value propositions to justify capital expenditures, and at the end of the day we make sense out of them 🤷‍♂️ My only point was to get us thinking about how practical FSD will really be to each individual. Sharing my experience with my...

My grandparents don't even have a smartphone, let alone would have any idea how to use FSD in a tesla 😂. So that use case is just null and void. It's so funny what people come up with without actually going through what solutions we have today for those same problems at a much lower cost than...

Because I was once excited about it, and I think once everyone goes down the rabbit hole of real world practicality most will come to the same conclusion - unless the price is heavily discounted, it's just not really worth it. I'd like to see the price for non commercial use around $2-3k per car.

Don’t know how you’re only paying what, .03c/kw ? But I pay $57 on average per month in electricity for my Model X. I did the math for my wife’s and I commute and mileage would easily triple with all the empty legs, so would go up to $180 per month. So a $120 increase in electricity and $200...

Basic economics apply to all purchases, supply/demand is elastic and to price. If they don’t apply, why don’t you Grubhub your dinners every night? You’d have so much more time to do other stuff? FSD is literally the same thing. We don’t Grubhub food every night because of our financial...

Imagine - FSD is here. Car can drive for you. Show me a model X that sold for $15k more with FSD used ? They don’t, if someone wants FSD severely devalued their best option is to go used Until the real market value catches up to it, basic economics do apply. Real consumers value used FSD at...

It's not shortsighted, it's just basic economics 101 for the average person. In my own life I have no need for FSD. None of those you listed apply to me. I don't get excited about the possibilities, because when I thought long and hard about the practical use case of FSD, it's honestly not worth...

The FSD fleet size is only ~400k and the target audience has been sold on it's promised features over the past 10 years. Most of those people paid way less than 15k for FSD. The average take rate now is ~10% I believe at current price? And that will continue to rapidly drop as their average...

And knightshade, I feel we are in the minority of American's with our daily commute. We have people at my work that commute 30 minutes, 1 hour, 45 minutes, 30 minutes, etc. Very few live close to work, so now you have an even LONGER empty leg where now not only are you paying $10 per day for...

Yes, we work in opposite directions and even if we didn't, you still have to go back and pick one of us up. I'm not going to sit in the vehicle until it's my time to go to work xD. The car sitting actually reduces mileage, and as such, maintains value. Her commute is 10 minutes into one town and...

Those are good points, and if those things add up to 15k/$200 for you then that's what is most important. I agree those things are headaches, but basic autopilot does just fine for me in stop and go traffic. I agree with the cheaper car analogy - I could see people going with a $25,000 Model -...

I'd beg to differ, especially when you tell them first they need to buy a $45,000 car and on top of that pay an additional $200 per month. My grandparents don't have that kind of disposable income, and especially if you're disabled. Disability and Social Security pay enough to live on but not...

Good point, and I certainly could see that as a possibility in the distant future where we justify the cost. But just think about your own use case, and your own life, and then think about the average American. For the average person, we get tremendous value out of a cell phone. So much so that...

Well that is fair, so go ask your grandparents or you grandchild would they use the service for $200 per month? That's all I had to do to get my Wife to give me a resounding no.

How old are your kids? I asked my wife, would you allow a fully autonomous vehicle that is much safer than us driving drive our kid home from school? And the answer was no, unless maybe he was like 12 or older. And even then, it was, well I like to be in control. Most mom's like to be in...

So now because I bought a 100k car you think I can afford an extra $200 a month for FSD? If you apply that logic to anything, well then, why didn't I just get a Plaid for only a $50 per month increase in payment?

Yeah it seemed like you misunderstood my post, which was solely about driverless operations of FSD. So just so I understand you correctly, you would gladly pay $200 per month for the car to be able to drive your wife and family or go anywhere without an actual driver? So would that be $400 per...

Yeah, FSD Beta is obviously only safer when humans are there to monitor it closely. If we all let FSD beta drive around without a driver I'd be willing to bet it would crash or cause a crash way higher than the average human currently.

I know I wouldn't robotaxi mine to strangers. But ridesharing friends and family around or sending my car to pick up friends, or even fractional ownership of a fleet of Tesla's that pick you up when you need to go somewhere with minimal wait, is where the value truly is at. Individuals using...

Let me rephrase it - again when you read you have to see the Forrest for the trees. FSD without a driver in the driver seat has plenty of value proposition and 15k may even be cheap. Until that day comes, as a driver assistance feature, FSD will never have a high take rate at current pricing...

That is ridesharing and robotaxi. With your example you gave, there is material financial value to the car not needing a Driver. That is the value of FSD, however, in it's current state it has not yet come to fruition nor is there a clear path to that reality. You're not disagreeing with me...

You're exactly correct, so there is no meaningful impact with the current design to Tesla profitability as they move to more affordable cars. The more affordable the car, the less affordable FSD is to that owner so less take rate. The take rate will scale with the price (price/demand) and...

For those of you that read this, it will require a little bit of a seeing the forest for the trees. Logically speaking, FSD has to allow paid ride sharing to increase the value of the car. Even if the car drives around for you, there is no highly economic impact to TSLA stock or car valuation...

FSD Beta will be closed for the foreseeable future, the NHTSA recall hasn't been satisfied to my knowledge. New users haven't been added this year for that reason.

Exactly, and how is the average day to day consumer to know that FSD Beta has now opened back up and is available to test? Tesla doesn't push notifications to people "Hey try FSD Beta! It's available with your VIN!" So again communication is terrible, as such you get posts and comments on...

I'm not arguing with you, but new consumers are clearly confused. There are several posts on this forums of people exactly like EagleOne who thinks they will get access to FSD Beta if they just wait until the software catches up. That is clearly not the case, and in fact, he may never get Beta...

Exactly the problem with the end consumer. Don't call the two gimmick features FSD gives you, FSD. Add it into EAP, and then call FSD Beta an optional but no guarantee purchase. But that would be too transparent and wouldn't fool the consumer into purchasing it. If Tesla told all consumers you...

Not really common knowledge when you have the option to purchase FSD in the app with no disclaimer that it doesn't actually give you FSD. From what I have heard, FSD is not open to new testers even if you are on the correct firmware (2023.7.5 or 2022.45). Why even offer people to buy it if it's...

Is it really that hard to work to a deadline? Give a worst case scenario and communicate to your customers at the very least. I won't touch FSD until Tesla becomes more transparent.

There is quite a bit of confusion on Tesla's part, by not actually telling people that having FSD beta or even the correct software allows you to opt in. I've heard that even if it does go wide, it still will not allow new users until Tesla opens it up to new users. This will involve actually...

I have a 23 Model X. Never really had an issue with the software. The auto open doors don't always work like they're suppose to and the car sometimes takes a while to wake up when getting in. Nothing to write home about honestly. I'd imagine the older my car gets, the worse the software...

Is it normal for 11.4 to be delayed this long? It's been out for two weeks now correct? How long does internal testing go when a step jump is done (2022x to 2023x)

Very odd how quite 11.4 is

I'm amazed that the X doesn't have any front display customizability. Where is the energy graph and others? I like that info being present at all times!

Exactly Osho. A lot of us feel the same way, including me. Anyone who drops 15k for FSD I question their judgement - only because of the FSD release path. They would sell 5x more FSD if they were transparent about how and when things are going to be developed. Currently, the subscription model...