Yup.
If Ukraine was no longer supplied, the war would go on for a little while yet along with continued random attacks for years.
If Putin would simply say “we are going to stop fighting and will withdrawal”, the war would end immediately.
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If Ukraine was no longer supplied, the war would go on for a little while yet along with continued random attacks for years.
If Putin would simply say “we are going to stop fighting and will withdrawal”, the war would end immediately.
Buckminster
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I don’t think Putin wants war anymore. But given his history is why you don’t trust Putin and do a deal whilst the Ukrainians are supplied.
Of course he doesn’t want “war”. He just wants to take more land with little resistance which a “deal” or Trump would provide him.
If he truly doesnt want war anymore He could literally end this all today by simply stop bombing them daily and removing his troops from the occupied territory. Pretty simple.
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We're probably at a low point for the west at the moment. Initial donations have run low but EU+Ukraine industry hasn't had time to spin up arms production while Russian production has increased production more rapidly as they have moved to more of a wartime economy. Another year or two and it's likely that EU production will dwarf Russia's but Ukraine may not be able to survive that long.
But then the war crime trials would start. And the demands to repatriate the stolen children. Ending the fighting isn’t going to finish the war, imo.
Of course, he doesn't want war, he wants to go in and wipe the Ukrainian people from the map. Not supporting the Ukraine is the same a genocide.
Which would be meaningless in Putin's case.
"Anyone accused of a crime in the jurisdiction of the court, which includes countries that are members of the ICC, can be tried. The court tries people, not countries, and focuses on those who hold the most responsibility: leaders and officials. While Ukraine is not a member of the court, it has previously accepted its jurisdiction.
Putin could, therefore, theoretically be indicted by the court for previously ordering war crimes in Crimea.
However, the ICC does not conduct trials in absentia, so he would either have to be handed over by Russia or arrested outside of Russia. That seems unlikely."
IMO, anyone watching the Tucket/Putin 'interview' should also watch this one from 2018.
Can you explain what you mean by this. How would Putin removing his troops not end the war? Are you saying someone (Ukraine, etc) would go into Russia to continue the war?
Tiger
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YT is among many on the left who have liberal brain rot where they think every war in the world is somehow America's fault.
I don't know why anyone would interpret it this way. Putin meant, in my opinion, "stop giving them weapons so we can conquer the rest of Ukraine".
Nobody is forcing Russia to fight. Seriously, they can leave right now. It's not like Ukraine is going to counter invade.
Buckminster
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The idea that Putin is going to give up land is for the birds. Even if you think that he believes he is going to lose it eventually somehow. Even if you think he has some hidden morals.
Russia has lost lots of wars. Russia has gave up plenty of land in the past. This is not unusual for Russia. Putin would like us to think otherwise but history books don't agree with him.
SwedishAdvocate
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From a representative of the Defence Intelligence of Ukraine (GUR) Andriy Yusov:
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[...] It could not but be a special operation, of course, it is an influence measure, it is an IPSO. And yes, it is a Russian operation, because, in fact, the target audience of this interview is the free world, the Western world. We did not hear anything new there. In Ukraine, there is a common term “urban madmen”. Here’s a geopolitical madman who talks about some nonsense-about international law, about history-and decides which nation should exist and which should not. All this is nonsense, of course. […]
And they understand that it is the ability to influence the democratic world, no matter how they call it in their propaganda shows, that is critically important to them. That is, this whole operation was an attempt to bring the voice of a fictional Putin to the very West they hate so much. It failed globally, of course, because we have already seen all the assessments of leading experts, political scientists, and politicians after this interview. [...
"
www.ukrinform.net
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GUR on Putin's interview with Carlson: This is [a] Russian special operation
09.02.2024 15:36[...] It could not but be a special operation, of course, it is an influence measure, it is an IPSO. And yes, it is a Russian operation, because, in fact, the target audience of this interview is the free world, the Western world. We did not hear anything new there. In Ukraine, there is a common term “urban madmen”. Here’s a geopolitical madman who talks about some nonsense-about international law, about history-and decides which nation should exist and which should not. All this is nonsense, of course. […]
And they understand that it is the ability to influence the democratic world, no matter how they call it in their propaganda shows, that is critically important to them. That is, this whole operation was an attempt to bring the voice of a fictional Putin to the very West they hate so much. It failed globally, of course, because we have already seen all the assessments of leading experts, political scientists, and politicians after this interview. [...
"
GUR on Putin's interview with Carlson: This is Russian special operation
Russian President Vladimir Putin's interview with American TV host Tucker Carlson is a Russian special operation. â Ukrinform.
www.ukrinform.net
To me, this is one of the most true statements about history. Everybody got together at the fall of the soviet union and decided what was and was not a country. There are obviously many hundreds of cultural history before that but they agreed the country split - Russia is by force trying to unilaterally change the agreement.From a representative of the Defence Intelligence of Ukraine (GUR) Andriy Yusov:
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GUR on Putin's interview with Carlson: This is [a] Russian special operation
09.02.2024 15:36
[...] It could not but be a special operation, of course, it is an influence measure, it is an IPSO. And yes, it is a Russian operation, because, in fact, the target audience of this interview is the free world, the Western world. We did not hear anything new there. In Ukraine, there is a common term “urban madmen”. Here’s a geopolitical madman who talks about some nonsense-about international law, about history-and decides which nation should exist and which should not. All this is nonsense, of course. […]
And they understand that it is the ability to influence the democratic world, no matter how they call it in their propaganda shows, that is critically important to them. That is, this whole operation was an attempt to bring the voice of a fictional Putin to the very West they hate so much. It failed globally, of course, because we have already seen all the assessments of leading experts, political scientists, and politicians after this interview. [...
"
GUR on Putin's interview with Carlson: This is Russian special operation
Russian President Vladimir Putin's interview with American TV host Tucker Carlson is a Russian special operation. â Ukrinform.
FielderJones
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navguy12
Active Member
This five minute read from The Guardian should suffice:
Putin tells Tucker Carlson the US ‘needs to stop supplying weapons’ to Ukraine
Russian president’s rambling, two-hour talk with commentator is his first interview with western media since the Ukraine invasion
www.theguardian.com
SwedishAdvocate
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Seems legit:
F-16 with identification marks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Likely taken at one of the training grounds where Ukrainian pilots undergo training on the fighter jet.
twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1755981512887951847
F-16 with identification marks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Likely taken at one of the training grounds where Ukrainian pilots undergo training on the fighter jet.
twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1755981512887951847
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