AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Key word: “we.”
I never stopped the betting. I was just confirming @Daniel in SD saying he wasn’t betting anymore.
Can’t really blame him.
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd has decision wobble fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd sometimes may not detect train crossings fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
I never stopped the betting. I was just confirming @Daniel in SD saying he wasn’t betting anymore.
Can’t really blame him.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
"12.4 has almost completely retrained models. The final touches are for comfort" giving me big regression vibes.
I feel that FSD progress should really be the march of 1's, the binary number system is more appropriate for computers and will let us better gauge progress. We've already got two 1's (75%). I expect 12.5 to get us the third 1 (87.5%).
EVNow
Well-Known Member
Who knows - Elon might wake up on the wrong side of the bed and declare software validation is not scalable and fire all of them. I don't think he thinks twice or for that matter once about what comes next.
EVNow
Well-Known Member
Does anyone have an idea what kind of revenue we are talking about ? If we can figure out the # of LiDAR units, we will know.
BTW, I won't rule out Tesla using LiDAR for Robotaxis. Elon has been known to run on a dime ...
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Hoping the weird subtly jittery stops are gone. And the really bad stops. And hopefully it can do stop signs.
Unclear from that whether final touches are in 12.4 or later in 12.5 (arguably should be called v14).
At least all this means that it looks like 12.3.6 has become the baseline install and is starting to replace 11.4.9.
Now it has me wondering if where they will start the 12.4 group, will it be from the 2024.3.5 folks or the 2024.14.x
I'm making a WAG that its the 2024.3.4 folks that get FSD 12.4 as the early-ish access, but not as early as the YouTube level early access
Now it has me wondering if where they will start the 12.4 group, will it be from the 2024.3.5 folks or the 2024.14.x
I'm making a WAG that its the 2024.3.4 folks that get FSD 12.4 as the early-ish access, but not as early as the YouTube level early access
FSDtester#1
"Circle Jerk Old Guard" per cyborgLIS aka "CJOG"
Hopefully 12.4 will solve my worst problem...
Good looking girls are now constantly asking for demo drives to see 12.
It is getting old, and I am married....
My speculation from yesterday:
"For us if offered 24.14.x I would NOT install. We should wait and see what happens with 12.4.x. I bet it will be on 24.9.x (or stay on 24.3.x) and 12.3.6 will be the "new" standard FSDS replacing 11.4.9."
Love it, all we would need are 50% improvements to get another '1', whereas we need a 90% improvement for each '9'.
Right now, I'd probably be OK if 12.4 ends up representing a 50% improvement. I'd be even more OK if that's accomplished without any regressions...
There are ALWAYS regressions.
Just keep them to a minimum and NO safety regressions.Since 12.4 is supposedly all newly trained (Elon speak that could mean literally almost ANYTHING) it will likely be a slow rollout and be several versions before many of us get it. Bet most of us will not get until 12.4.3 at least.
FSDtester#1
"Circle Jerk Old Guard" per cyborgLIS aka "CJOG"
@j0shm1lls will probably get it next year...There are ALWAYS regressions.
Since 12.4 is supposedly all newly trained (Elon speak that could mean literally almost ANYTHING) it will likely be a slow rollout and be several versions before many of us get it. Bet most of us will not get until 12.4.3 at least.
Okay, so after having 12.3.6 for the better part of a day and going on a longer drive I'm coming to the conclusion that if 11.4.x was like a teenage student driver, then 12.3.6 is like a 6 year old that can barely see over the wheel and has wooden blocks tied to their shoes to operate the pedals. Although it has pretty sloppy lane holding, wandering gradually from cowering at the right edge of the road to aggressively hugging the centre line with no obvious reason for either, it's pretty much all aspects of speed management that are the most awkward and uncomfortable. Hard acceleration from every stop right to the speed limit and then having to use regen to back off feels very unnatural. Coming up behind slower or stopped traffic seems to threaten running into the rear of the car in front almost every time - I wound up disengaging by brake a lot of times to prevent the apparently real possibility of it just plowing right in. The automatic speed offset is useless and would likely wind up getting one a speeding ticket in short order. In the regular speed mode, it can change the speed out of the blue to slow down with no obvious reason regardless of the limit. Today, it did not get a comfortable speed right once around a corner, going either way too fast or inappropriately slow.
11.4.x had its issues, but it was on average pretty useable. This version is just not worth the constant hassle. I'm shocked (but not really) that they thought it was okay to release. If the take rate for the previous trial round really was just 2%, I'm surprised it was that high. Most people are not going to remotely tolerate that behaviour, let alone pay for it.
ETA: not to mention, the wipers were flapping in the sun like a beach full of startled seagulls.
11.4.x had its issues, but it was on average pretty useable. This version is just not worth the constant hassle. I'm shocked (but not really) that they thought it was okay to release. If the take rate for the previous trial round really was just 2%, I'm surprised it was that high. Most people are not going to remotely tolerate that behaviour, let alone pay for it.
ETA: not to mention, the wipers were flapping in the sun like a beach full of startled seagulls.
It was a comment Omar said referring to the Mercedes software."To be fair this isn't the latest software version"
Did you get that info from Teslafi or Teslascope?
j0shm1lls
Member
gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
I’ve been using FSD a lot so I would be one of early ones to get 12.4
LSDTester#1
Ingesting large quantities of LSD
I use it exclusively and I can tell you, it does not matter.
....and I have been using it since day 1 and 10.2 and that doesn't mean $hit to Tesla. You could buy 20 Teslas and you would get treated like any other person. You could be a super loyal employee, work like a dog for Tesla for years and Tesla would fire you like nothing. For good or bad Tesla has NO PASSION.
mgs333
Member
That has nothing to do with how early someone gets new releases.
