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  1. CapeOne

    Model S in 2022

    Now just $30k? The difference has actually gotten wider. A year ago, the MYP base price was $60,990 versus $79,990 for the MS. The difference had been $19k and is now $32k. You should really try to drive both models before deciding. Although MS sales are down (in part because of production...
  2. CapeOne

    Another price increase tonight [04/06/2022]

    As noted above, prices increased again last week but only for the LR and Performance models which have nickel-based batteries. The RWD M3 price was unchanged.
  3. CapeOne

    Lease ending in 1 year, looking to stay with Tesla. What is the prodecure?

    Although not necessarily specified in the lease, there had been a period when Tesla allowed lessees to sell their M3 or MY to third party dealerships but that option was removed last year. If/when the used car market declines, Tesla may offer that option again or even allow direct lessee buyouts.
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    Dealer markups drove me to buy a Tesla

    There are no longer tax breaks at the federal level but there are some at state/local levels. Many others on here and elsewhere have also complained about how Tesla pricing defaults to figures with potential gas savings, state incentive, excludes the mandatory destination charge, etc. By...
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    Dealer markups drove me to buy a Tesla

    No one is forced to buy a car at a price they don't want to. No one is forced to haggle on a price if they don’t want to. And as far as some of the dealer tactics you mentioned, they are not the norm any more than Tesla taking orders for cars at prices they didn’t honor (which has happened) or...
  6. CapeOne

    Dealer markups drove me to buy a Tesla

    But that's the buyer's choice. It doesn't/hasn't had to work that way. No one is forced to negotiate or go back and forth on price. They can choose to if they wish (although not necessarily with Tesla) but don't have to. Approximately 97% of new cars in the U.S. are sold this way, as are...
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    Dealer markups drove me to buy a Tesla

    1) I have purchased several cars from dealers over time and knowing the price can be as easy (looking at the MSRP) or complex (haggling for every nickel) as someone chooses. The MSRP markup on new cars is much less than it used to be. Decades ago, the biggest savings on average would come from...
  8. CapeOne

    Dealer markups drove me to buy a Tesla

    I don;t find what you describe nearly as true as it may have been decades ago, and feel it has become more of an exaggerated stereotype than reality these days. I'm not here to suggest one business model is better than the other, just that I don't find them much different. No one is forced to...
  9. CapeOne

    Dealer markups drove me to buy a Tesla

    1) When buying a car from a non-Tesla dealer, you know what you;'re paying (MSRP, over MSRP, under MSRP) before committing to a purchase. It's pretty transparent. If you're paying over sticker you know it but with Tesla, you don't necessarily know if the retail price is the same as it was last...
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    Dealer markups drove me to buy a Tesla

    With prices on some Tesla going up (or down) thousands of dollars in short periods, "paying the same at the same time" doesn't necessarily mean much especially if you happen to the one who bought a car only to see the price drop thousands of dollars within a few days or weeks OR are buying a car...
  11. CapeOne

    Model Y 2021 Purchase

    In the early years, Tesla used to offer many more individual options but eventually made most things standard. Tesla "packages" are now largely tied to trim level which is a lot like what Honda has long done. The fewer potential variations there are, the easier and cheaper production can be...
  12. CapeOne

    Dealer markups drove me to buy a Tesla

    The reality is that Tesla has been marking up prices too but they do it by raising the sticker prices, and since Tesla owns its dealerships the net result is basically the same. It's just not as apparent, obvious or transparent to buyers unless they've been following Tesla prices over the past...
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    Model Y 2021 Purchase

    When looking at profit margins, it is also important to note that Tesla not only operates as the manufacturer but also as the dealer. Other automakers' profit margins are based just on the manufacturing side. Those markups that some non-Tesla dealers have been adding to certain models in the...
  14. CapeOne

    I Ordered a Taycan

    There are actually quite a few charging stations available for the Porsche, including a decent number of very fast chargers. Porsche also offers three years of "free" 30 minutes (DC) or 60 minutes (AC) charging sessions at Electrify America stations.
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    I Ordered a Taycan

    While the Taycan can be a much more expensive car, it doesn't necessarily have to be. It all depends on the features, options, etc. one is interested in. A new 2022 Taycan starts at $84,050 or $76,550 after federal tax credit while the MS starts at $96,190. You can essentially add $20k in...

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