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For some reason, people think proactive repairs are a good thing. You know what's a good thing? Designing and manufacturing parts that doesn't need proactive repairs. I scratch my head whenever I read posts about how awesome service was when their Tesla died; the great service was quick to...

[/LIST] Nice informative review; when you said two deliveries in the last four weeks, do you mean two P85D or two Teslas total?

Consumer Reports and Edmunds uses high dollar gps equipment accurate within 2 centimeters and you post "proof" from someone using a g-tech pro. Seriously?

+1. Their software is behind machinery that is directly responsible for the safety of people. I once contracted for a company that developed software for the military. I'm not going to say exactly what I worked on but if there were bugs, people may be seriously injured. It had the most...

I think we're way beyond whether or not the P85D produces the power it advertises. That question had been settled and further tests does nothing but confirmed what has been suspected all along. The discussion should really focus on how Telsa plans to solve this issue. Their current plan of...

I think Tesla employees are banned from posting to any media website. There was a guy that worked for Tesla posting on another site. He was very positive and everything was fine until someone asked him a question about drive unit failures. He immediately deleted his account which I thought was...

Why do people keep saying it's about a free upgrade? This has nothing to do with a "free" upgrade; it's about getting what you initially paid for. If you bought and paid for next generation seats and you didn't receive them at delivery, is it a "free upgrade" when Tesla finally gives them to you?

Just an interesting subnote, Mercedes will stop using Tesla drivetrains: Mercedes B-Klasse Electric Drive: Künftig ohne Tesla-Technik - AUTO MOTOR UND SPORT

You listed attributes that were important to YOU. Would you care if dual drive was missing if it was advertised as having it? Maybe the 691 hp is an attribute someone else values. Can you see how the whole "I'm happy with what I got, you should be too" argument is invalid?

Here you go, a "691" hp Tesla getting destroyed by a 562 hp Porsche... Tesla Model S P85D vs Porsche Panamera Turbo S drag race - YouTube

When the P85D came out, every internet article and video touted the 691 hp figure. It's now impossible to find the hp rating for the P90D+L.

whoa. i think you take the prize for most DU replacements. 6 in 53K is more often than oil changes in a ICE car. In fact, I don't think there's any maintenance item in any car than is replaced as often.

Please, you're really stretching and digging to justify Tesla's false advertising. It's irrelevant to potential motor power, what matters what hp the car is capable of producing. If you accept Tesla's foolishness, then any ICE manufacturer can claim their engines produce 50 percent more than...

wow. When the issue was initially discovered, people thought it made around 550hp which is 20 percent less than advertised. Now it appears it makes around 30 percent less hp than advertised!? To the people and it looks like there are many who are ok with this: If tesla advertised that the D...

I don't think anybody has the expectation of it looking like new. I think everyone's expectation for "Certified" means that they looked over the car and fixed any issues prior to the buyer receiving AND that the car does not have prior damage. That's my definition anyways..

Tesla seriously needs to open a dialogue about this make it right for the owners. Making false claims is serious in the consumer world. As others have noted, Mazda was forced to buy back RX8s when they made less horsepower than claimed. That discrepancy was way less than what Tesla is facing...

This one should have never been CPO; it should have headed straight for the auction. Your chrome trim also looks misaligned.

The algorithm is so simple, I'm not sure how anyone can mess that up. They probably have a database table that has all sc visits. Just do a count of how many times a car's unique id shows up, if over a certain threshold, send email.

You've paid for supercharging; the easiest solution is to just ignore the letter and continue on as is. It Tesla has a problem with it, they need to start refunding the 2k fee.

This maybe possible but unlikely. They can't use remanufactured drive units in a brand new car. Also, the X is heavier and with the claimed 10,000 pound towing, the drive units in the X will face way more stress than in the S. If they use the same DU, I can't see them lasting very long.

Companies will continue to do what is in their best interest. No different from when Tesla built one swapping station to receive hundreds of millions in extra zev credits.

They're continuing to do the "right" thing because most cars are still under warranty and they are required by law to do the "right" thing. We'll see how they behave once cars come off warranty.

Can Tesla reuse airbags? Who would want to buy a car whose airbags were recommission from another car? There has to some regulation against this. Edit: Looking at the below video, it looks like Tesla has side curtain airbags. None in the bolster. TESLA Model S Crash Test 5/5 Stars Tesla...

Price aside, what can Tesla do with old seats? Is there a market for them? Do they re-use them for CPO cars? They can't put them in new cars.

Also a few reports or P85D's that needed their FRONT drive unit replaced. Only Tesla really knows how serious or minor this problem is in both frequency and expense and they're not telling.

IMO, I think it's not a psychological resistance but more of a fact that around 80K, you're competing with a brand new 70.

Nice find but I think a better fix would be if Tesla designed a latch that didn't corrode. I can't recall the last time I ever had to put grease on any car latch.

Just curious, does anyone know what tesla's solution is for opening the doors in a rollover?

Just some random thoughts: 1. Maybe its intentionally setup this way so that people do work and actively try to get ten LEGIT referrals that they know personally. Right now, I see a lot of spam and people using internet methods to get referrals. I would guess personal referrals would have less...

In theory, this sounds fine except when you get multiple failures and refurbished DU that were defective from the start and had to be redone, this tells me that they either don't know what's causing the issue or they don't know how to solve it. Leaky pano roofs, tail light condensation...

Maybe Varney should have quoted the "after gas savings and tax incentives" price?

damn.. one of the few people at tesla that was respected and had credibility. this is not looking good.

I talked to a SA about this and the reason why they will not provide service records is that people used to ICE cars may not understand the nature of electric cars and construe the issue to be "bigger" than it is. For instance, if you weren't familiar with Tesla and you saw that the drive unit...

Tesla refuses to show actual pictures of the cpos on their website so you have to take their word that it's "certified". To deliver a car with obvious paint defects and then keeping your deposit when you refuse to accept delivery is unacceptable. Did you pay the deposit with a credit card? I...

If it's been "cobbled" together, surely they would have time by now to fix it?

I went on BMW's website and with almost every option selected, it came out to be around 108K.

yes..

I'm curious about this as well. This is beyond bad service if Tesla kept your deposit on a cpo car based on a disagreement about the condition.

Wow. The SEL 6.3 is a beautiful car. There's no way I would sell it especially after all that work. That's a car to pass on to the children.

Just curious, what repairs and maintenance were performed that costs 80% of the car price within those 35 thousand miles?

Hate to break it to you but this is a temp fix. A DU replacement is inevitable..

Have we regressed to tin foil hat conspiracies already? Don’t you think it’s possible that people can love electric cars and still be objectionable?

Unlike most other manufacturers, GM actually gets MORE range than what they advertise. I absolutely hate GM and had terrible experiences with them in the past but if Tesla can't get a permanent solution to their drive unit issues, the Volt will probably be my next car.

Can you tell how many total referrals there are?

Tesla is a master at controlling this message. Before the S came out, they were expounding on the fact that the drive units were tested to 500,000 miles. Most people took them at their word since it was entirely plausible. The motor is much simpler than ICE engines and you never heard of a...

Someone has said that this might be the most expensive car to own after warranty. Not sure if that's true or not but this is probably one of the few cars where buying the extended warranty should be mandatory. Anyone buying a Tesla should factor that into the purchase.

charging to %100 did kill the battery in my samsung s4 after 3 years. had to buy a new one for 8 dollars. the horror.....

Your situation is not unique. I talked to another cpo buyer whose car had numerous issues. Leaking pano, chrome trim badly misaligned, milling noise, dirty interior, etc. All of these issues would have been discovered if someone spent 20 minutes with the car. I once heard someone say that...

Just curious why you do this and not just reserve in Jan 2016? A lot of things could change from now until then.

Lucky you don't live in Norway. Unless your car is dead in the water, wait time for non urgent fixes is three to four months and that's with eight service centers.