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    2016 S P90DL Wh/mi - What to Expect ?

    I've got a pre facelift 2016 90D. Current "full" range is 265 miles, give or take. It'll supercharge with a pretty good curve. I can get 280 at 65-70mph on the highway with all weather tires, slipstream wheels, AC off. This is over mostly but not totally level ground. Same trip with AC on...
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    New here. Can a 2016 Model 2 90D be upgraded to a P90D?

    Also I understand there are issues with the larger rear motor where coolant leaks past seals and ultimately destroys the motor. I don't know if I'm remembering the issue correctly or not, or if later versions of the motor (that can be installed in the 90D) address the problem. As others have...
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    2015-17 Dual Motor S charging rate

    Mine is a 2016, "nosecone" means pre-facelift. I got it used from tesla in 2019 back when they were offering a 4 year B2B warranty on their used cars.
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    2015-17 Dual Motor S charging rate

    I've had a nosecone 90S since 2019; put 50k miles on it in that time. *Lots* of things have broken on it in that time, but it still charges from 10% to 50% quickly and I've never had any half shafts replaced. Lots of door handle issues, charge port door, AC drain plugged, steering rack, a...
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    Rear lower control arm, broken!

    I've asked a place that used to work on my Allroad if they'd look over / replace parts on my 90S and they declined. Do you have a shop in boston you'd recommend? Also, is there a list of which suspension parts on these cars have been failing?
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    2016 windshield wipers keep tripping breaker

    I took it to them, they replaced a module. The wipers failed again, but they failed less frequently. I took it back and they found a ground stud was insufficiently groundy and replaced that stud and the body control module. They did not bill me for the 2nd visit. We'll see if this fix is...
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    Failed Rear Lower Control Arm / Service Bulletin SB-19-31-001

    Two questions: 1. are the typical aftermarket suspension parts "good enough" for this purpose? In the past I'd try to get the same vendor that was the OEM supplier for a particular part, and I'd found that other replacement parts were sometimes as good as the OEM parts, but as often *not* as...
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    2015 85D 237k miles, warranty about to expire. Advice on service appointment

    I'd recommend you go on a road trip where you deplete / supercharge the battery as many times as you've got time for (get to 8%, charge to 85%). My 90D (2016 pre facelift, early battery) with 92k miles has a capacity of about 265 miles. I'm going to be off battery warranty in March 2024.
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    Nav and IC dead after car sits overnight, sometimes (early 2016 with atom MCU)

    The car's got the MCU2 / atom MCU not the original MCU1; the 12v battery was replaced last year.
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    Nav and IC dead after car sits overnight, sometimes (early 2016 with atom MCU)

    If I leave the car alone for 18-36 hours, half the time give or take, when I get in the car the instrument cluster and nav/MCU are black. The car will start and drive after some prodding (gear down / brake pedal / gear down / brake pedal / etc) the lights will turn on and the car will come to...
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    2015 85D 237k miles, warranty about to expire. Advice on service appointment

    The 'Full Unlimited Super Charging' you have is likely transferable -- the next owner of the car gets it too? If you transfer *that* to your new S or whatever -- I'll bet the FUSC for that car stops when the car transfers ownership? I'm in a similar boat -- I've got a 90d with FUSC; I'm...
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    Drive unit replacement worth it?

    The most expensive part of the car is ... the car. You buy a $30,000 car and in 2 years it's worth $15,000; you've lost that $15k and whatever else you've got in the car as well (insurance, gas, tires, tree shaped air fresheners (find one in ever car -- you'll see)), etc. Save your money by...
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    Model S Trailer Hitch Installation

    This kit requires trimming various belly pieces on the car? I'd love to just buy new pieces and trim those and keep the old stuff in a box in case I ever wanted to "revert". What actually needs to be done to install this?
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    2016 windshield wipers keep tripping breaker

    Nosecone 2016 90D The wiper motor / mechanism was replaced under warranty when it turned on while frozen to the windscreen, several years ago. In the past 6 months the wipers will periodically just stop working, typically in the rain when they're doing their wiper thing and actually pretty...
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    Does a replacement battery increase resale value / insurance claim value?

    Is there a market value bump for "car with tesla replaced battery with 3 years left on warranty" ? Probably not, mostly because it's a thinly traded market, not because the battery has no value. Oh well, the invisible hand of the insurance companies not paying claims yoinks again...
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    Does a replacement battery increase resale value / insurance claim value?

    I'd say the real danger isn't mechanical failure but a combination of mechanical failure and an insurance claim event... When I first got my 2016 it got a love tap from a chrysler pacifica -- a small dent in the rear corner that cost roughly a honda fit to repair; insurance paid the cost but if...
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    Does a replacement battery increase resale value / insurance claim value?

    That certainly makes sense -- but "agreed value" implies some agreement between the insurer and the owner; if they agree the car's worth 3 million and it get destroyed for some reason, then them's the breaks; obviously that won't happen with my 260z that's on blocks, even if it does have a...
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    Does a replacement battery increase resale value / insurance claim value?

    I know for "classic" cars you can just say what you want the value of the car to be if it's totaled; there's no way to value a 1963 hillman minx otherwise.... Can you get declared value policies for modern cars? If the insurance company believes the replacement value of the car is $14,000...
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    Speculation: Model S to be phased out?

    100% agree. If they sell at a profit and the space and resources can't be used for a more profitable product, they'll keep making / selling them. There's another reason to make / sell the S/X vehicles -- which is they make an ideal test bed for new tech. If they want to test out a new...
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    Model S Trailer Hitch Installation

    This is one of those situations where can, should, and liability are all going to end up with different answers. It is very likely that you can, possibly even with some degree of safety, pull a load well past some of the ratings of some of the parts of the towing system (car, hitch, receiver...
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    Drive unit replacement worth it?

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/more-than-million-mile-model-s-helps-clarify-what-is-wrong-with-tesla-s-motors-218870.html The belief is that the "new" drive units were pretty high quality, but had a couple significant flaws (coolant can eventually get past seals, the failure is invisible to...
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    Looks like Tesla brought back the standard range Model S and X!

    According to ABRP there's a SC in Denison tx which is 180 miles. Saskatoon to Calgary -- that'll need a S long range with a good battery... This year anyhow.
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    Looks like Tesla brought back the standard range Model S and X!

    They've used software limits in the past -- it lets them simplify their supply chain. They've used different battery SKUs in the past -- it lets them optimize around manufacturing constraints (such as if they're cell limited). They're even replacing failed "cell limited" batteries with...
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    Looks like Tesla brought back the standard range Model S and X!

    That's a silly comparison. Part binning is typically an outcome of testing or *tests not done* on a part. They can just verify this batch of cells to 3.7v and put them in that group of modules and test that set of cells to only 3.6v and put them in the "standard range" modules. The ones that...
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    2015 P90D sells for $42.5k on cars & bids, time to sell my P85D?

    I personally wouldn't place much premium on the large motor cars or low mileage, and especially both together I would see as a "future of pain" combination since there are a lot of little issues that you're going to trigger once you start putting mileage on the car. That said, I feel like...
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    Which goes further for $43 - a Tesla or a Gas Car?

    I'm sure it's been said elsewhere in this chat, but DC Fast Charging is a much more expensive charging method than L2 charging. The infrastructure required to dump that much energy into a battery in a short period of time is enormous; the utility costs are similarly much more expensive when...
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    Out of Warranty Drive Unit Replacement and Cost

    My understanding is there is no warranty on parts replaced under warranty that extends beyond the original warranty. Meaning: one day before warranty expires, part dies; part is replaced; the next day the part dies again, you're now out of warranty and you have to pay full freight to replace...
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    bubbling alcantara B panel (pre-facelift 2016)

    Really? That's stupid cheap for a weird cosmetic part on a 7 year old luxury car. The part looked right when it was installed and they didn't cause some other weird problem?
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    bubbling alcantara B panel (pre-facelift 2016)

    My car's driver side B pillar is starting to look a bit worse for wear; a little worn, a little discolored, and now the alcantara has a bubble. The car turned 90k this month, so it's not been driven to the moon and back, but it's also been driven. I try to be somewhat careful getting in and...
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    BMS-029 - Tesla Must Do Better

    In the scenario where a single module in a 100D pack has failed, can't they pull that (and another) module from the pack and call it a "refurbished 90" pack? What I've read, otherwise, there's no fixing a pack by swapping modules around between packs or by snipping wires; both of which may keep...
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    BMS-029 - Tesla Must Do Better

    I don't think there's anything nefarious going on -- large organizations typically don't crime without internal record keeping documenting the crime, and that's trivially discovered via legal processes. There's almost certainly a chain of evidence along the lines of "engineering report XYZ...
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    BMS-029 - Tesla Must Do Better

    There's a lawsuit around this (batteries "failing" due to firmware pushes with evidence of antics being that if you revert to older firmware versions the battery keeps working as though it's in good shape, for basically forever), if memory serves me. Running a scam like you described is likely...
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    2022 Model S repair cost

    I got my 2016 and 5 days later got a wee little booboo in the rear of my car -- a dent above the bumper and not much else; it was $12k (aka 1.5 honda fits). I'd be concerned that $16k isn't enough to repair that.
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    What else can break on my 2014 Model S?

    Oh yeah, I had to have my charger port replaced as well. My car's a metal roof car. I've had a couple cars destroyed by failed sunroof drains where it's not obvious the sunroof is plugged up until a heavy rain storm and boom the inside of the car is a swamp and the car's effectively ruined...
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    What else can break on my 2014 Model S?

    Presumably that means finding a shop that can pull the rear subframe off the car, is happy to weld it, and then put it back on? https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0266/3772/9858/products/IMG_8653_1800x1386.jpg is an example of such a thing? What's the labor of pulling one of these off? Let's...
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    What else can break on my 2014 Model S?

    How would I check on my car's subframe?
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    What else can break on my 2014 Model S?

    Do the small motor car's break subframes?
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    What else can break on my 2014 Model S?

    The car's got 88k on it; the brake pads (and rotors!) were done at 85ish. The electric parking brake started throwing errors last week and they're replacing them. Still in the B2B for another 27 days; I wonder what else will break while it's not on my dime. I thought it was pretty crazy that...
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    What else can break on my 2014 Model S?

    I've got a 2016 S 90D -- got it from tesla in 2019 when they were offering the 4 year B2B used warranty. I'm on my last month of the warranty and having them address a clunk somewhere in the suspension/drivetrain This is what I remember; not in order: * several door handles (not all of them...
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    New owner— Best booster seat?

    Of course they're not for use with any safety equipment intended for use with a person. These extenders are intended only for the safe transport of potted plants or ikea flat packed shelves.
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    clunk transitioning from on to off throttle

    Really? It's a 90D (not S90D) -- the car itself reports "induction small" for rear motor.
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    clunk transitioning from on to off throttle

    There isn't an audible sound when transitioning; it just feels like there's slop / lash somewhere in the drive system that clunks when transitioning from one load pattern to the reverse of it. Sometimes it's quite noticeable but more often than not consistent; it's easier to reproduce if on/off...
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    clunk transitioning from on to off throttle

    I thought the rear drive moisture problems were mostly the P models with the big rear drive; my car has the smaller drive unit.
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    clunk transitioning from on to off throttle

    There's some sort of lash or slop in the drive train when transitioning from on to off-throttle or off throttle to on-throttle. The car's an early 2016 90D with air suspension with 88k miles The car's still under the older style 4 year bumper to bumper warranty for a another couple months (got...
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    repair pushed in parking sensor?

    This is an early 2016 90D with the nose-cone... What are the options for repairing the mount point for parking sensors? The sensor's there, and works fine but it's kinda loose in the mounting and will sometimes get pushed into the cavity behind the bumper. It's the sensor next to the nose...
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    FUSC 75% drive 15% FUSC 75% drive 15% etc long distance

    I think you just mean "supercharger" -- FUSC typically means "full unlimited supercharging" or some such. With DC Fast charging, which includes superchargers but would include any of the other roadside fast charging infrastructure -- the goal is to get to wherever you want to go as quickly as...
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    Can't close windows while charging and opened car with phone

    Nope -- that's one of the several weird logic bugs I've found in my 2016 MCU2 car; the first being scenario 1 (windows should operate if there's a person in the car or doors open; instead the car has to be in "drive" mode) 1. nitwit child left car open when driving him home from school 2. I...
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    Am I being an idiot trying to hold onto my p85dL outside of warranty?

    The real danger for these things isn't that some big expensive part breaks and you have to fix it; the danger is that you get pecked to death by dozens of little failures each of which stops the car and forces you to plan around it. The suspension arms can randomly break and cause thousands of...
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    2015 P90D (range upgrade)

    I don't think they've all been replaced. Mine's a V1 and seems fine so far, for some reasonable definition of "fine"
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    2015 P90D (range upgrade)

    I'm not sure if there's a difference between the P and non P 90 V1 packs, but I've got a V1 (March 2016 90D) -- when I got it (used, 3.4 years ago) it charged to 252 at 90%; these days it charges to 245 or 244 at 90%, meaning the maximum range has gone from 280 to 270ish miles. It's been...