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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    I was thinking that we could also check and compare SC charging rates as I read that newest S can now reach up to 250kW on V3, which, so far in Europe, if am not wrong, are avaliable near London, in Germany, Netherland and Norway, though.. What has been the max. charging rate you have seen?
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    @Battpower: I took the liberty to correct some details in you post probably only typo..and added month of delivery for mine. Overall essentially agree. Thank you!
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Hello@BESLA! Tested this morning mine in very similar way, city drive at <50km/h speed and results are the same as yours. Best!
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Hi @BESLA Thanks, was it city and/or hwy drive?
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Hello Raven LR colleagues! As promised this what I see now after 2020.28.1: downloading 28.2 as we speak... @Battpower: you were spot on! @BESLA: more or less consistent with your reading...right? A step forward..something is moving...will see.. Cheers!
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Hello colleagues! @Battpower @BESLA Thank you a lot for your feedback, I’m now running also 2020.28.1 on my 10/2019 Raven MS LR (E battery) and have not yet checked if any change occured. It might well be as @BESLA stated that this is coming in steps. Will look at it over the weekend and...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    @Battpower: Have a great Sunday!
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Good morning! @duncanduncan: Sorry for my late feedback, yes after checking on the sticker I can confirm my car has a 100kwh - 1086755 - 00 - E battery. @Battpower: agreed and, in this case, it cannot be that if you get an F you’re lucky, otherwise you’re not! The reason being that, while...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    @Uncle Paul: this is also what my wife always tells me..;) Seriously, thankyou for the time you took to give me such a nice answer. I truly appreciate it. @Battpower: I know you like Switzerland..;) I’m truly enjoying both of your support, nice comments and educated hints which help me better...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    @BESLA Thankyou a lot for your feedback and supporting info! Furthermore, you can see also below referenced EM tweets as of February 15th, 2020: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1228540886826418178?s=21 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1228541579679322112?s=21 -> “made in recent...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Thank you a lot! This should suffice to demonstrate that only in NA, some of us, owning the same MS Raven LR, received a significant range increase or was offered Plus upgrade, either for free or as a paid option and, some other did not, especially in Europe, which is what I’m aiming to obtain...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Hi! Thank you a lot for your feedback, much appreciated! This is exactly what I am facing with my MS Raven LR stuck with 360 miles range and, trust me I’m not the only one, even though I’m currently running the latest software available i.e: 2020.24.6.1, I see no mention to possible even...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Thankyou a lot @TSLA Pilot, appreciate your view. For us is only the 2nd S in one year as I traded in the 75D for the Raven LR last October for more range. We did the EV move after decades of German cars as this was our resolution: our next car will be EV for the very same goal you mentioned...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Thank you for your comments and encouragement, I really appreciate it! I’m enjoying my car, no doubt! I’ll be very open, there is no need to sell me the car - I already bought it! StillI have a few questions, which I kindly ask you to answer; What are the conditions and car setting to reach...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Hi Tinm, This 391miles value happens to be exactly the value it is circulating here for former Raven S LR OTA upgraded to Plus. You can just search 391 miles in this forum and find relevant comments. As to the gap to 402, I can only suggest you to check asap with your service centre. Just as a...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Crossing fingers then...Audentes fortuna iuvat!
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Dear Battpower, fully agree with you. Seen here some end 2019 getting it but, will see.. Thank you! Cheers
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Hi Rocky! Thank you for your comments and glad that this sparked some interesting thoughts...which I’ve read carefully, but am not sure I entirely follow you. Well, I agree with you, if you are driving a Raven MS you ought to be demanding and entitled somewhat don’t you think? Can you explain...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    I know...but, let’s see how much Tesla cares to have happy and returning customers!
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    And just fyi as a background: Model S Long Range Plus: Building the First 400-Mile Electric Vehicle Cheers!
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    @Battpower; @BESLA and To Whom It may concern: Quote @elonmusk Got my S LR in October 19 (360 miles at 100%) here in Switzerland where, along with EU, as far as I can see, no Plus is available yet. Any upgrade plans for us? Thanks! Unquote This is the tweet I’ve sent him and if you care to...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Good morning Battpower! Happy you support this discussion and generally agree on your view of the actual range of our cars. In facts, just for the sake of sharing a real life case, I have a pretty standard one for a Switzerland to italy trip of 560 km. (500km. highway and 60km. hillside) which...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Uups..just noticed you’re in Belgium...right?
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Good morning BESLA! I’m glad you joined this discussion as what you have shared are basically the same key issues which are also affecting me here in Switzerland. To be honest, in my case, I also own a LR delivered on 10/19 and has the exact same range as your car! I am not sure on the rest...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Agreed...heading to SC now.. See my email in my profile? Please drop me a line, I would like to keep in touch if that is ok? Thank you!
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    to your questions: Why would Tesla spend.....I tell you why: Raven MS is their flagship sedan model and limited/selected customer experience/fidelization/satisfaction is key, at least in my book. Tesla MS is a totally different animal compared to a BMW 5/7 or Mercedes C/E class with which it...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    ...I’ll put a sticker on before putting the car for sale...maybe I’ll get a better deal! Seriously...thank you a lot..this is now getting into the direction I like. I call for the owners of ex LR which got an OTA LR Plus upgrade overnight to show here real change occured. As far as I...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Hi there! Thank you a lot for your comments and appreciate the simpathy. I am aware of the market dynamics here, which are part of the game - no issue. Here we go: When I switched from ICE same car level to EV I was not only attracted by the technological and environmental side of it but...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    All good and fine but, this is how I see it: 4 Grands in a mobile phone it is not the same as 100 Grands in luxury sedan and, 3-6 months it’s not the same as 37 years..;) Therefore...I do not see the announced car value appreciation in time happening here...rather a -15-20% hit! Thanks for...
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    Raven LR vs LR Plus range issue: car value

    Hi there! Just dropped in after regularly reading all very interesting discussions, thanks! Here is my (maybe on only mine) “dilemma”: I own a Raven LR with FSD delivered on 10/19, showing 360 miles at 100% here in Switzerland. I’m still hoping and maybe wrongly that I could get at least 391...