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In my country (Italy) is not available yet. But sooner or later will be and it is one alternative I am considering next year if Tesla remains as is now. Other are EQS, zeekr, Nio

In a long trip (say 600 miles) at high speed (in Europe limit is generally 81 mph) the first leg would be 250 miles. Following legs of 100/150 miles. This results in a 3 hours + 1,5 + 1,5 + 1,5 hours driving legs. Add to this the very expensive charging costs (here can be 90 to 100 cents per kWh...

I appreciate what you say... Of course it all depends on personal situation. A real world range of 400 miles would be perfect to me. The point is that when we refer to EPA or WLTP based range (or as someone here sarcastically called "Tesla range") we need a kind of "conversion rate" ,which stays...

I appreciate in general some things reported in the article. Here are my pros and cons PRO Tesla started a new way to design car and made a revolution on the business model: direct sale, no need to bargain the price, new production processes, Superchargers, state of the art batteries, best range...

The same for me. And the same thought: so stupid not to offer a choice. I guess the sale reduction of model S is due to it

Agree! One is me... If they do not change it, it will be a "no go" for me as I will look for a replacement next year or so. I also agree with tallypwner on the range increase: In one year there will be a number of cars that offer more range, and Model S is still at the same level of 2018/2019.

I don't think so... charging speed decreases as the SOC % increases. Thus, the bigger is the battery, the more kWh can be charged at higher speed before charging speed decreases... Anyway, we should not consider that a bigger battery capacity is simply obtained with a bigger battery with the...

My cent: the huge discount recently granted on MS is a clear sign that something "major" is going to happen. Those discounts happened in the past: remember when they were on the point to sell the MS Refresh two years ago?. Thus, excluding that discounts are in relation to minor refresh, I...

This is true, assuming that batteries do not improve... Considering improvements meantime achieved, it is defintively possible for Tesla to offer a range increase of 20/30% with the same battery weight. Some people do not care. some other like me would appreciate and ready to buy it. Let's...

Given that anyone has its own preferences, and that (unfortunately, from the efficiency point of view) people tend to prefer SUVs, to my opinion EVs are much better as sedan rather than SUVs due to efficiency reason. Model S has an enormous cargo space, and driving a car with a lower gravity...

Specially the battery range boost! A + 20% should be possible, considering that 100 kWh (or so) are there since years now

here is a first real drive test. https://www.arenaev.com/zeekr_001_with_qilin_battery_road_tested_with_surprising_results-news-1871.php At 120 km/h it reached 864 km. It seems better than Lucid. Once again: will Tesla react?

I think they should. This is what I hope. Better to say: more energy dense options exist. What I don’t know is if they are simply waiting for competitors to offer more range before increasing theirs, or if they deny the argument. Till 2/3 years ago Tesla was emphasising each small range...

I never meant to have more range with the same price. Newer chemistry but with the same range.

Ok, Sounds excessive... But: 1) how many cars of the same class of model S are sold each year? Maybe some millions. 2) mutatis mutandis, my speech applies also to M3: its batteries are more recent, but surely something better exists. Panasonic, CATL and others already have more energy density...

That’s what I’m saying: since 2017 battery capacity hadn’t been improved as it could have been possible to do. It’s difficult for me to understand why they do not offer such an increase that would definitely convince those who did not choose EV yet (and me 😀), and at the same time offer 1000 km...

I see that roadster is available for orders again. At least in Europe/Italy. Tesla says it will have 1.000 km range (625 miles). If the issue of the weight is as you say, there is a contradiction here in Tesla...

This is true if we believe that since 2017 there had been no battery improvement. Instead, as we can see in the market, batteries improved a lot in terms of gravimetric and volumetric parameters. Thus a MS with the same weight and chassis but with a 25/30% more range is definitively possible...

Hey, you said before that the reason why Tesla is not going for 500 miles is because they would be battery constrained. I replied that it is not a reason for model S. You say that this is not how it works but at the same time confirm that MS is not overly popular due to price. Well in...

That could be true if order backlog were very long, which is not definitively the case for model S, whose battery format is different than M3 MY. In addition, normally the target is to make profit, not to sell more. Bigger battery = higher price = higher profit

I didn’t mean literally empty. I never run out of gas. But I use to benefit of the entire gas volume that is available in each car I had.

All those I had

This is a 1980 Tesla availble for sale!

I get your point and agree: 99% of the people who bought a Tesla were fine with the promised range, and many of them did not chose a long range version. But: 1) is this valid also for the people who did not yet step in the EV world? 2) how many people who bought a short range version did it...

Agree. Right now I have the return trip problem: I will travel for business for 400 km and no chance to charge at destination. With my excellent MS raven I am fine, but if I had 20/30% more range I could save half an hour. Is it important? Well, I can survive with this, but I’d prefer to avoid...

ZEEKR 001 is approaching the market with an optional 140 kWh battery and a range of more than 620 miles (chinese standard, anyway). Elon was contradictory in the past: till 2/3 years ago Range was his main worry. Plaid + was advertized with 520 miles range, not to say Roadster (620). MS "long...

A MS with roadster battery, please😉

Can I say a very friendly note? I notice that when discussing about range in TESLA forums there is generally an opinion that it is not so much necessary to have more of it. Instead, when discussing about other options, such as 21"rims instead of 19", Plaid version instead of normal one...

Because real life range is much shorter than EPA one. Today I needed 78% battery for 270 km (170 miles). This is the real range in winter, if you want to keep some safety and healthy room for the battery life… As said above, for my use, a “lucid range” means saving from half hour to one hour...

That’s why I opened this thread: my preferred option is a MS with the lucid range.

Maybe you did not notice that I am already owning a Model S. So I perfectly know how the car works, the network, the range etc etc etc. In my use, range is important. I only use the car for long trips. from 260 to 1.100 km. whatever is the weather condition (130.000 km in my odometer since...

Well, considering that 196 people read this thread and nobody reported a positive rumor, I guess the matter is "over" for the next couple of years. Thanks. @vcor: i appreciate what you said. let me only add that real world range of EQS appears to be by far longer than the Model S one. I...

Since competition on range of luxury EV cars is growing, our MS is no more a leader. EQS, Lucid already get longer range. Other coming cars are planned to get something more as well, or anyway a similar one (Audi q8, A6 and Q6, BMW, NIO, maybe Maserati, Volvo and other Chinese producers). I also...

As not said: I found it in another thread 😉

Do you have similar picture of “non LFP” battery? I appreciate what you say, but since it’s surprising with respect to what we understood till now for other batteries I am curious about it Thanks

I did, regretfully… If I could I’d cancel it. A step back up. Hope they will improve it at least to the previous level 😂😂😂

In Europe tires are required an “ecolabel” setting the efficiency from A (best) to G (worst) Please see tire manufacturers European sites. I just bought Continental Ecocontact 6 which are labelled “A”. At first impression (one only trip of 300 km) there is a 4% range improvement compared to...

I.m not confusing them. I guess you are misunderstanding what I am saying. I am not saying that bigger range car is more efficient that lower range car. I am saying that if the range increases, more and more people would convert into EV - otherwise they will still buy ICE cars. Out of 10...

That’s Theory. My experience talking to people using ICE cars is that they will switch once range increases by 30%, more or less. Larger batteries will last more and/or will always offer to market a consistent range even when partially degraded. This stressed attention to efficiency is not...

If efficiency were the only or the main parameter for car market, there would be no space for SUVs, big engines, etc etc, which on the opposite are the main driver of the car market. Any consumer will make his choice: some will prefer small batteries for a small price, some others will prefer...

I like your reply, but is not the "coaching" I was referring to. One is to coach how to use the car and maintain it. On this point EV are by far easier: just care of the battery charging and nothing else. Other is to coach people telling them how often they have to stop driving... Nobody felt...

For most peple... driving an EV :) C'mon! I am driving happily a model S since three years now. I made my choice and I would do it again. Said that, it is a non sense to teach people saying that "you must - need - should stop every 2 hours"... This "coaching" stress is coming out since Ev...

I agree. Nevertheless a higher range would be so much appreciated

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Is anyone interested in? 😉

I agree. But not on "they will be willing to eat into their margins a bit". Who said that higher range should come for free? :) There are a lot of people, also in this forum, saying that they are ready to pay for higher range. If margins will reduce, it is because of competition, not because...

You mean that you totally agree with me, but you changed your mind when Putin decided to invade Ukraine?

"Probably ok next year". Now we are in the "next year" https://electrek.co/2022/01/28/tesla-4680-battery-cell-supply-production-capacity-unknown/ On Jan 22 "Tesla does not expect constraints in 4680 battery cell supply this year ..."

You may say that. Reality might be just the opposite. Fast charging requires huge concentration of Electricity power that unbalances the distribution network. And it is less efficient for the batteries. Cells contraints is not existing: this was confirmed by the CEO of the biggest EV producer...

I fully agree with all of your points. Personally, I travel less frequently than you, but for longer trips. Three times per year I travel from north to south of Italy (1.100 km one way). I can afford it with my model S (2019 raven). But this requres almost 2 more hours than with an ICE car. If...