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    Update to replacing headrests

    Pretty easy to take them out you just have to take a flathead screwdriver and push a couple pins to the side and then the headrest should come out there's videos on that. Once you have the headrest out give it some measurements or just take it to the junkyard with you to make sure you find...
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    Replacing the headrest in the model 3/S-Maybe this helps someone

    Hello, here's a quick update on what I did with the headrests. I think I made an improvement I grabbed these off of an old Audi in the junkyard. You have to take them to a machine shop to get the metal bars extended a couple inches so the seat back is held in. Remember there's two wire pins...
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    Update to replacing headrests

    Here's an update to replacing the ridiculous headrests that Tesla comes with. I went to a junkyard and got these off of an old Audi I think. They're much wider so it allows me much more liberty to move my head from side to side as I adjust body position on longer road trips. I did have to take...
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    Replacing the headrest in the model 3/S-Maybe this helps someone

    I'd say non-adjustable headrests or head restraints on cars does not represent the majority of manufacturers by any means for a reason. Seems like a no-brainer
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    Replacing the headrest in the model 3/S-Maybe this helps someone

    Yes, making sure your head and neck are properly restrained is a pretty huge safety issue as well as comfort
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    Replacing the headrest in the model 3/S-Maybe this helps someone

    So everybody in the world needs their head restraint in the exact same spot? That makes a lot of sense
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    Replacing the headrest in the model 3/S-Maybe this helps someone

    It is adjustable, even though there are no dents it's a pretty tight fit so you can move it up and down as you wish without it moving
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    Replacing the headrest in the model 3/S-Maybe this helps someone

    Exactly, so if Tesla made adjustable head restraints or headrests then people could actually adjust them to their needs! Novel idea huh?
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    Replacing the headrest in the model 3/S-Maybe this helps someone

    Comfort and safety are very closely related when we spend as much time in our cars as we do as Americans
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    Replacing the headrest in the model 3/S-Maybe this helps someone

    For the most part yes. You may be able to find some exceptions with niche sports cars but headrests or head restraints are adjustable in the vast majority of passenger cars for a reason. It's simply more safe to have a head rest that is adjustable for many different types of bodies that frequent...
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    Replacing the headrest in the model 3/S-Maybe this helps someone

    There are two main problems with the way that Tesla does their headrest. First of all, it doesn't go up or down so there's a limit to how tall somebody can be and have it work for them. I am over this limit. Secondly, it's very narrow, so there's very little ability for the driver to shift...
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    Replacing the headrest in the model 3/S-Maybe this helps someone

    Using this logic any modification you would ever do to your car could be considered a safety modification to be honest. Tesla makes such a weird car in some ways it's almost impossible not to modify it in some way to meet somebody's personal needs. A comfortable driver is going to be the safest...
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    Replacing the headrest in the model 3/S-Maybe this helps someone

    I don't think so I think it's a reasonable aftermarket modification done with safety and comfort in mind
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    Replacing the headrest in the model 3/S-Maybe this helps someone

    May actually file a NHTSA complaint about the headrest or the head restraints on this car because I do not think they are adjustable enough to fit a broad enough spectrum of body types in a safe and comfortable fashion.
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    Replacing the headrest in the model 3/S-Maybe this helps someone

    Pick your poison i guess I wouldn't say that driving in a very uncomfortable position as a very tall person is very safe either. I doubt this would be an insurance issue they are still had restraints and they fit very solidly. I'd rather be in a comfortable driving position as far as safety is...
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    Replacing the headrest in the model 3/S-Maybe this helps someone

    Disagree, whether you want to call it a headrest or a head restraint it's going to be best for your head to be on it in the case of a collision especially getting rear-ended. This will protect your neck much better if your head is already placed on the restraint rather than receiving whiplash as...
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    Replacing the headrest in the model 3/S-Maybe this helps someone

    So the head rest in all Tesla's have to be one of the most ridiculous parts of the whole car. Maybe this post will help someone out there. They are unadjustable which is complely insane (I have a very tall sitting height) They are very narrow necessitating one driver position which is very...
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    It's simple, it's mathematical, 180° or so less control points equates to a more dangerous driving interface. Not complicated
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    Thoughts on Yoke from Plaid owner

    I think a lot of people are going to think it's okay at first because they took a big risk and it doesn't immediately explode in their face. I think over time the weaknesses of the yoke really start the surface especially if you spend any time driving in a car with a normal steering wheel. It...
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    I disagree, I think we can use our brains and logic to deduce good and bad as it relates to something like this using science and reason. That's ridiculous argument up above in my opinion especially when it comes to how safe a vehicle is on the road.
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    It's not just about air bag deployment it's also about driver comfort, driver fatigue, many different types of body positions and body types in driver seats for long periods of time. Very few people probably decide on their hand placement on the steering wheel based off of an airbag deployment...
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    Who cares about the most important interface you have in your automobile? MANY PEOPLE! Rightfully so.
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    You don't make any sense
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    Thoughts on Yoke from Plaid owner

    Obviously the big problem with this whole thing is that it's nearly impossible to test drive any Tesla, and even more challenging to test drive a model S with a yoke. That being said, many people have to make this decision no experience at all, unfortunately. Besides, I think it takes thousands...
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    Actually you didn't respond anything that I posted above. The video you posted with the poster child on the hand placement with the steering wheel mention that 4:00 and 8:00 are very fine positions for the hands on a steering wheel. THE ISSUE OF THE YOKE, ONE OF MANY, is you don't have a 4:00...
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    You're going to need the best brakes you can get with that yoke!
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    Thoughts on Yoke from Plaid owner

    It's easy to convince yourself that the yoke is going to be okay when you first received the car. Obviously you have a lot riding on it and you took a big risk by buying an automobile without a steering wheel. During the first 5 months of ownership of the model S I thought the yoke was really...
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    Dreaming of a steering wheel while using the yoke is completely normal, I wouldn't stress about it.
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    You're probably dreaming. I oftentimes found myself dreaming of a steering wheel while driving a yoke especially on road trips. Funny how much of a physical and psychological impact and inferior mode of control has on us over long periods of time. In actuality you did see a model 3 steering...
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    Okay that's an interesting video that you posted. did you actually watch it? In the video it said that the 8:00 and 4:00 position is actually preferable to the 9 and 3. Unfortunately, with the yoke you can't use the 8:00 and 4:00 position because it is a rectangular edge. This adds a lot of...
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    The yoke is only fatiguing if you care about actually having some input over what the car is doing. If you're comfortable letting the car do whatever it wants and having minimal override abilities then it should be fine but I don't think your life is going to last very long.
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    So the only proper way to hold a steering wheel is with two hands 100% of the time at 9:00 and 3:00. I have yet to read an operator's manual that mandates this but it seems to be what all the the people who love the yoke want to talk about. Not buying it
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    "Clearly people aren't dying because they have a yoke" Honestly, this is something very much still to be determined. It's going to take some time and some data points but I think that the yoke will prove to be vastly less safe. If it's harder to drive manually then it's harder to take over with...
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    So you're espousing something that hasn't even hit the market yet as if it has some sort of huge proven track record. That's interesting
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    I disagree, I think it's an especially important conversation at the present moment
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    You forgot to mention: removes roughly 100° of operational points of contact for driver control and comfort. I'm sure this is going to be a lot better than a steering wheel
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    Are you offering data here?
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    I think I've offered a whole lot of data in my initial post you might want to read it
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    Thoughts on Yoke from Plaid owner

    Not sure about this. The better you can manually operate the car, the better you're going to have take over capabilities when the car is on automated systems. For instance, with my model 3 I actually use autopilot a lot more willingly because I know I can assume control of the car and operate...
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    Thoughts on Yoke from Plaid owner

    Well now you're depending on an aftermarket company that probably has very little engineering and scientific expertise to really develop a steering wheel that's going to be the best fit in the most situations from a safety standpoint. This is the kind of stuff that I was unwilling to deal with...
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    Thoughts on Yoke from Plaid owner

    Even the ones that look like they're completely circular if you watch videos of somebody turning them quickly you'll realize that even those ones are not a true symmetrical 360° circle. Unacceptable in my opinion to be messing around with stuff like this
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    Thoughts on Yoke from Plaid owner

    I wish I had been more critical and discerning before my purchase that's for sure congratulations to you
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    Thoughts on Yoke from Plaid owner

    Look very closely at your options and I think you'll realize that most of them are not even a true symmetrical circle.
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    Take a look at the options for the steering wheel most of them are not even round. Even the ones that look around are not circular they're bigger on the top than they are the bottom. Not something I'm willing to mess with. It was a terrible decision for me to buy a car with a yoke. I owned up to...
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    Yes, when on autopilot on my model 3 typically my hand is in my lap at the 4:00 position palm up and I have a rock solid grip of the steering wheel. This is vastly superior to any position that I discovered with the yoke.
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    I think the yoke will actually be worse with a more sensitive steering ratio. I think a more sensitive steering ratio with the yoke is going to equate to more accidents more quickly because it doesn't fix any of the problems the yoke presents
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    I think I've offered vastly more science, physics, ergonomics and more in my initial post than I've heard from any people that espouse the yoke. The yoke argument is usually that it offers a better view of the screen and it forces you into using the nine and three o'clock positions nearly 100%...
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    I felt like the model S with the yoke was seriously the most unsafe car I've ever driven. No balance points for your hands for long distances relying on autopilot nearly 100% of the time because manually steering it is so unrealistic. That's why I offloaded it as fast as I could I did not think...
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    Further discussion and analysis on why the yoke is not good

    Yes usually the argument for the yoke is that people think it looks cool or people really love the 9:00 and 3:00 position constantly for their hands. If you love 9:00 and 3:00 so much and love driving with two hands 100% of the time just do it with a steering wheel. Steering wheels still...
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    Thoughts on Yoke from Plaid owner

    Yes, THE YOKE IS A JOKE, THE JOKE WAS ON ME, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FUNNY!