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So, just when winter ended and my crappy 200-220 km range (M3 RWD Std LFP) turned into 330-400 km range in comfy temps (20 C / 70 F), today i experienced another unpleasant shock... We got extreme, unusual temps for our area... 35C or 95 F and ... of course the AC was on full blast and god...

This thread has grown a lot. Nice to see a huge variety of opinions. I just wanted to say that when Summer-like weather started, I did notice increased range. Finally... Still, the consumption display is total BS and as someone correctly stated 2 months ago, your trip consumption shown in the...

Look everyone what i just found on the volvo website. CAN Tesla be that honest? Doubt it....

That is exactly what i have been arguing about with three tesla reps, one calling himself a senior rep. I told them i am not driving 100km to the service center to troubleshoot a system that is NOT BROKEN, is just a Shhhit DESIGN which will NOT WORK (Deep Rain). I am asking for compensation in...

I think i have said countless times that the car drives amazing. so what? accept garbage range estimates because the car drives so well. why not COMMENT, COMPLAIN, and the get the company to FIX THE DARN ESTIMATES and strive to make a perfect vehicle? Thanks brotha, so tired of having to...

You are calling it the same way I do. I still cannot believe we but 60k vehicles with such *sugar* technology and Tesla is said to be the most tech-advanced car ever. How about worst car ever in MANY respects, like the one you've stated. What is wrong with these teams of supposedly brilliant...

I've heard stories from a lady who sells Ford vehicles. They don't sell many Lightnings, but she said she's seen customers who bought one and tried to return it 2 days later utterly disappointed with the range LOL. Boy do I get their concerns now after owning a tesla in winter since November.

Today this happened to me. Frozen doors and windows. Since I wasn't driving anywhere I didn't preheat the car (but that doesn't really warm up the exterior of the door anyway). In other words I pressed the door handle and the door opened... But the glass didn't roll down as usual as it was...

OK, so 1. how do i access the hidden service menu which will show me (knock on wood NONE) fault codes 2. how does one order "mobile" service. it's not like the app gave me that option. i had to drive 100km to the service center and pay 10 bucks for toll fwy to make it there on time, and it...

BTW, today was much warmer and my range increased significantly already. It was about 6C / 43F and it seemed i burned 22% to go 75km which would suggest a range of 300 km... (up from 220). so... it is getting better and hopefully 350 km in summer is a possibility. Which would only expose the...

So, no, the car just tells me in that screen that all these systems have failed (which i can tell and feel myself) but NO, it does NOT tell me what component has failed and caused the issues. The dealer told me 5 minutes after submititng service request that it was a wheel speed sensor. Took...

So maybe it just takes time but there was something odd about the navigation estimate too. In the first 3 months of ownership, the car already knew HOW I DRIVE and it certainly knows the temperature, yet the range estimates were in the toilet. I drove about 75km to my GF house with the mileage...

OK this makes no sense but i am happy for you LOL. Standard range is NOT 350miles even by Tesla numbers. You must be talking LR model LOL. And i bet moderate temperatures are "nice and warm" in your definition, not around freezing.... I checked on that bud. Likely not as another friend of mine...

Thanks for the answer but i have stated about a million times already, including my reply just above, SPEED/Acceleration/Fun-factor is not the issue since i am getting 200 wh/km consumption which is not very high by any standards and to me completely acceptable. UNLESS the computer is wrong...

Thanks guys. Good to see some sympathy :) and understanding LOL. Yes (batt), i have long switched to percentage display over KM. i did that on day 2 of ownership! :) And oldrocky, yes i totally hear what you are saying, but as stated in my OP, i drive it like i stole it AND YET the wh/km...

THAT is exactly what i am talking about. But i've been blasted here countless time for being stupid and uneducated and yet the smartest car alive, Musk's tesla is so f^&* dumb (AND STUBBORNLY MISLEADING!) << more heat coming for this comment, I can already see. ALSO, I have stated the same and...

The car was preconditioned that morning (scheduled departure.... so it knew much time it needed) and their diagnosis includes cost of zero dollars... Again it didn't stop working beaucse I hit something. I never hit anything in the last couple decades.... It just woke up one morning and was dead...

Wow that's cool. If they already know what sensor reports a fault, then it seems I wasted time doing soft and hard resets (hard was really hard, my hands were freezing at minus 22 and it required no gloves to complete). That said they might have asked for the resets anyway before stating the...

Ok since they said immediately that left rear sensor needs to be replaced, does this mean they scanned my car remotely and simply pulled the code like that?

Brand new car . 3 months old. The aforementioned disabled on the first drive on a super cold morning (-20C). Tried soft resets in many ways, NOPE. Tried hard reset with 12v battery and main pack disconnected for 5 minutes, NOPE. Car is dangerous to drive in snow and ice without trac and...

Tried resetting in many ways, soft resets many time. Nope. HARD reset with disconnecting both batteries, 12v and the main pack. NOPE. Very disappointed. Scheduled service. They said immediately left rear wheel speed sensor. Weird. What does that have to do with me not having any POWER Steering...

SAME HERE. Picked up new 2023 model 3 Nov 2022. All was good until last night. Extreme cold, -21 C. None of the driving safety systems work. Will they come back without any sort of reset when it warms up? ANY UPDATES from you or Babish OP?

Speed and drag kill range. I think this is one of the better explanations in the recent posts. Thanks TO EVEYRONE for chiming in. Appreciated. I happen to drive on roads which flow at around 100 kmh, 63 mph so yes, drag is an issue for sure. I suppose if i drove at half that for 100% of battery...

Yeah, wouldn't that be nice... if the car, which is supposedly a computer on wheels, could use a sophisticated equipment known as a thermometer and... your past driving history (I drive the same ALL the time, so where is the guesswork?) and honestly give you a range estimate in Km or miles...

And yes, i will be happy to report what happens at 13 degrees, sure... but then... is that to say that in hot July when i want make family trips to the lakes 150km away, i will once again be disappointed because now the car is going to run AC? Yes, I get it, battery will be warm and happy, but...

As stated in my thread, not too many short trips. Usually 30 minutes each. I would not consider 40km 25mile trip short. is that what you have in mind? If it bounces back to 300-350 km range in summer i will be shocked to my core and beyond excited - I will feel this is what I have paid 60k for...

So there is a TONNE of misinformation on how WINTER temps affect the battery and do I really have 60kwh in Winter or NO... ? Then there is the pre-conditioning and the heat pump which was supposed to warm up the battery and alleviate the cold temp problem, but folks on here are telling me...

Ooops, just when I wanted to take the above as the definite answer, i read this https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/testing-shows-teslas-lose-far-less-range-in-cold-weather-than-other-evs/#:~:text=As%20per%20testing%20by%20Recurrent,that%20did%20not%20lose%20range. Quotes: The Tesla Model 3 Long...

OK I buy that explanation, thanks. If that is where the crux of it rests. I've been told to expect 30% loss. ALSO, i often precondition ("warm up"?) my battery when plugged in to L2 so i assumed that that, to some extent, alleviates the effect of colder weather on the battery. So when can i...

OK, sure, on the surface this is where the problem is BUT: My trip computer shows ~200 wh/km on that same very screen (here you go) which should give me ~300 km range on 60kw LFP battery charged to 100% 300x200! Yet I get exactly 210 or so, suggesting ~300 wh/km consumption (and cabin heat is...

Here you go, usage as shown by trip computer. MAKES no sense. Where the hell is the extra 100 wh/km wasted at if my cabin heat and everything else seems completely insignificant! BTW. Not shown here buy my driving usage, despite very dynamic driving was shown at exactly 200 wh/km (as in the OP)...

Yup, i am also beginning to think Elon and his claims tesla is a software company is one big bullshit. Auto Wipers worked great on a "regular" car that didn't claim to be a software god 11 years ago, my bmw. That and removal of front and rear proximity sensors which one day will make me hit...

Thanks Bud, great to see real numbers from you as well. Sure, i get it, what irks me though is the PHANTOM power draw, not so much my real driving power usage (which let's say rests at my foot or my driving conditions, sure). I am beginning to think the wh/km ratio shown on the screen is total...

I did. It said on last trip energy used was 17%. Out of which 14% was used for driving, cabin heat was very small, like 1% and some other things totalled to 3%. 14+3=17. THAT IS not 50% extra as in 200 wh/km + PHANTOM 100 wh/km extra which i am experiencing. SO.. what gives??? I did think...

OK guys, sorry if anyone considers this a rant but I've finally concluded that Tesla is hiding info and mis-advertises the range of the car. It is truly crazy. We're not talking 10-20 percent as you might see on EPA estimates for ICE cars. We are talking 50%+ overestimate on range, near criminal...

You're lucky. Mine has a mind of its own. Half the time i can get it to start playing music when i press the bluetooth icon on the screen and the other half, no go no matter what i do - i have to unlock the phone's screen and play music from there. What a PITA. If anyone's got a fix....

Same here. My old BMW 535 (from 2010) had fantastic rain sensing wipers. Very good at detecting and you could even adjust 3-step sensitivity of detection. Tesla about made me livid with either no action at all OR running like crazy with absolutely clean windshield. HAS THERE BEEN a resolution...

I've restarted about 5 times since i got the car. browser freezes, bluetooth freezes, etc. Nope, still not starting to play automatically...

I have a Samsung S22 and Autoplay enabled in the music app (allow external devices to start playing music option). My ford f150 plays music automaically from my phone when I start the ignition, so the phone end is fine. Tesla doesn't and is highly annoying as i cant start the music playing from...

OK, sure. Yes, that would do it I guess. Yes, those three things you have listed took place, but still, shocking that they would amount to 20% in just 36 hrs and it was not -25C outside like in Alberta. This comment is so deep i could not resist replying. Thanks for your insights.

Yes fully charged. Car was sitting outside , heated the cabin 5 minutes before each trip (no more than 10 trips in total). Sentry mode was enabled once overnight. that's basically it. used heated seats, steering wheel while driving. the 185 km distance was done in 36 hours, so not like sitting...

Sure, but 20%? That is a massive amount of power (ie. equivalent to pushing the car forward for 100 km!). How can that much be used on heating while standing...

Oh wow, that's great to know, so I guess that solves the mystery. So 20% was used on cabin Heat heated steering wheel and heated seats? Gee if that's the case I have never anticipated it to matter so much

Yes. 100 percent

Sorry, accidentally posted in the wrong section.. Here is the situation: If I have "burned" 40kwh on a 60khw battery, as shown below, with the usable battery power of 57.5 kwn, first of all, why doesn't the display show 33% left rather than 11%? That suggests that i had roughly 17 kwh left in...

Where do you check battery temperature on M3 RWD? So... OK , to summarize, car wastes energy to keep battery warm in an artificial ways (using heat pump or from the motors etc). Battery discharging process itself does NOT produce (enough or at all) waste heat, correct? And.. heat pump uses...

So I finally did a test. Drove the car like I've driven any of my ICE cars in the past. Some passing, some hard acceleration, 130-145 kmh on freeways, not concerned about the range at all, wanted to test it in real life situations, ie normal/spirited driving. This is what i got at around 0 C...

OK thx. No of course I wont be pursuing it. Not worth 4 bucks of course (i wouldn't even pursue it for 20). This was always about the principle not money. but appreciate the info. thx!

Oh OK, that is all then. If you have seen another SC that did not show the charge and then still charged you, then clearly it's something that they need to get fixed as i can easily see myself calling and getting a refund... Not seeing a charge is basically misleading and the client is unable to...

I am simply curious, how does pre-conditioning work? Very specific questions here, thanks. 1. does it use liquid lines and some heat pump warms up the liquid which is transferred via some lines tucked in closely to the battery packs? Is it some dense and large liquid circuit OR does it use Air...