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Right back at you.

Do you have links or can you point me to this study or studies? And whoever then brought up "concern trolls" -- I'm pretty sure that there is a reactive meme about people who label other people as concern trolls in order to dismiss views. It seems you all are loaded up on the fallacies of...

Uh oh.

Creased seats: "normal." Ghosting: "normal." Poorly aligned panels: "normal." o_O

My good fellow, no one ever doubted your allegiance. Are you long TSLA?

It doesn't see cars driving in adjacent lanes. You'll only start to see cars from other lanes as they merge into yours. Sometimes, anyway. Don't trust AP2 to recognize merging traffic or truck/busses.

This is exhausting. We are like never ever getting back together. I can see that I could have been more clear with what I was saying. You seem to think I thought every naysayer met all 4 conditions, whereas I was actually thinking like this: There are five senses: sight, smell, taste, touch...

Haha! The name of the song is called "Haddocks' Eyes". :p

I'll remind you that we've agreed to disagree!

Is there reason to believe that the camera/radar system coordinates with maps? The inability for AS to handle simple curves after numerous pass-throughs suggests not. Seems more like it just uses GPS to let it know if it should enable 80mph limit or 35mph limit.

"Soon" = maybe someday.

:rolleyes: met·a·phor ˈmedəˌfôr,ˈmedəˌfər/ noun a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable.

I think they generally are affected. There is an obvious pattern to the post-bombing by people who want to excuse Tesla from accountability: longtime fans of the brand, AP1 owners, TSLA investors, and people who welcome abusive relationships. There is an identity or fiscal relationship with the...

People can feel misled about HW2 and still like the fact their car is electric, fits many of other other needs, and is fun to drive. The latter are independent of the former. Only an idiot or a troll would fail to understand this.

I'm going to have to start charging you, if you want to keep this up. :) We haven't even touched upon your Mobile Eye Conspiracy Theory.

I didn't mean to be so clever as to lure you into proving my point, but thank you nonetheless.

If someone can dismiss a complaint about Tesla by deliberately misinterpreting someone else, you can bet your ass they'll deliberately misinterpret.

Your inability to escape the way you perceive this is, frankly, astonishing. If we want to play a psychoanalytical game of attributing beliefs to other people so that our own beliefs are justified, it seems more clear that since you feel left out at having not gotten AP2 hardware, you are...

"Most" is not an equivalent to "a subset of a collection of diehards on a Tesla forum, most of whom do not own an AP2 car and/or do own TSLA." LOL!

That's cool.

In which case, that'd be neat and I could make what's his head upthread happy with my lack of surprise or annoyance at a new feature.

Are you replying to me? I care about getting what I was told I was getting. IF, and I know how conditionals work, Tesla has already figured out that they need more cameras to achieve FSD, then they lied to every HW2 purchaser. In this case, I want my money back or a car that can do what I was...

Did you order a HW2 car in October 2016? Are you long TSLA? I'm trying to understand why you are having so much trouble following -- and are so obsessed with and lathered up about -- the concerns.

New sensors spotted on Tesla Model 3: Autopilot 2.0 could have 10 cameras Good grief.

Good grief. Maybe it's time to join that class action. :mad:

I'm enjoying my Tesla steering itself into curbs, toward parked cars, across lane markings, etc. I know I'm not the person you're asking, but just in case! But, I confess, it is AWESOME at going straight down a freeway... unless it sees a ghost and hits the breaks. But hey, Elon's...

I must be misunderstanding what is going on in this exchange. I90/94 is in the city limits of Chicago and speed is not limited.

Since returning from my road trip, I've gone back to driving mostly on local roads. Here's the report: as bad as ever.

Agreed? We all know that expectations are not guarantees. But at the same time we all know that expectations are not merely wishes.

You're an informed consumer, no doubt. ;) But Tesla employees were telling people that EAP was coming and almost done and you'd have it "this week" -- as was the CEO. That was our answer to our question about what it meant. There is no requirement that purchasers be familiar with technical...

No doubt validation is substantial. But that's part of the complaint. Given the substantial failures and distance still from AP1 (six months post announcement) there was no scenario under which there could have been an expectation that the EAP software could be validated in December. But that's...

That's what discovery is for. If nothing comes up there, then I think the suit would likely get tossed. But.... .... apparently someone who is not on good terms with Tesla has a lot of info. I'm sure the Anti-Lawyer brigade is up in arms about Tesla suing Anderson, but I can't seem to find that...

Only 2 weeks until the 6th month anniversary of the announcement of Tesla Vision.

Has enough time passed for us to roll our eyes at the fact that instead of releasing the 8.1 that had been discussed, Tesla merely released an ordinary update and gave it the name "8.1" in the hopes that people would be dazzled by a more functioning but still not parity-achieved HW2 AP?

I don't think anyone would argue with that claim. Where people differ is on whether this is acceptable for April 2017, especially for people who have had cars since December 2016, and whether in the places where AP2 doesn't meet AP1 there is significant hazard. Reading your list, which matches...

Thanks! It's understandable why it doesn't work, since car seats are at times buckled in. I just couldn't recall if that was a change with the new update (since it added to the toggle for easy entry). My kids are pretty inconsistent with how they unlatch the belt. On a "I don't always complain...

Easy entry will not work with a seat belt extender latched in. Was this always the case and I just didn't notice?

HW2 X: Just drove 1000ish miles from Colorado to Chicago with the new update. The good! - Autosteer at high speeds is mostly reliable for straight roads. - Auto lane change to the left is mostly reliable. - Auto lane change gives us the adjacent lane in the dash. Neat! - Drawing pad, so I can...

OMG The smell. :eek:

I just dropped a kid off and mine were unavailable. Meh.

The OP never said AS should work perfectly nor that AS has been fully implemented. He experienced a situation in which he was surprised it failed and brought it to our attention. Creating a strawmen to burn down does neither Tesla nor its customers any good. Please be respectful of what other...

:rolleyes: Can you tell us exactly how sharp of a curve you are comfortable with? Scratch that. Skip the middlemen and please pass that information on to Tesla to add to the next release notes. Thank you.

Yup. What firmware? My "unavailable" messages have dramatically decreased since 17.9.3. But the veering to the right is still a problem.

Or so!

I don't want to take this too far astray, but I have mine set to standard. When EAP stops freaking out about shadows and signs, I might try early again. But as it is, I was getting way too many alerts when it was set to early.

There's a lot of Black Mirror episodes about how great this can turn out! :eek: (for those with no sense of humor, I of course am deliberately not mentioning possible benefits of this technology in favor of making a jokey reference to dystopian possibilities that could result. settle down.)

Yeah, it's not reassuring. Even a driver paying the super-bestest attention can get cut-off or have a driver in front of him slam the brakes. The manual tells us that if you take any corrective action, the car will not break (or am I misunderstanding it?). Seems here that our nature to try to...

Actually he said he was looking off to the side. I do that in my car, too, to look at traffic and change lanes (especially since my X doesn't have blind-spot detection or display accurate representations of my surroundings). Another characterization is this: a semi veered into his lane and...

How many times do we have to explain to AP1 owners that AP2 EXPLICITLY HAS LOCAL ROAD AUTOSTEER ENABLED. Thus, and do try to follow here, it is a legitimate point of criticism to show situations in which an advertised feature fails. I know, I know, we don't want to say bad things about Tesla...

These are matters of taste. I mean, I really dislike luxury car interiors like Mercedes and Audi and BMW. They are trying SO HARD to convey a certain conception of luxury that they look comical and busy to me. This is just taste though. I like unfussy. As for user-friendliness? I have an Audi...