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They're two different cars in different categories. Few people cross shop between them. I came from an e39 540i MTech to my first Model S when that was the only Tesla selling, and loved it. When it became time to replace it, the same color in the newer version was really the only thing I had...

Used this site during a quick pit stop back from Tahoe last weekend. It was among the few that weren't fully subscribed in the Sunday evening rush. Great location next to the premium outlets, fantastic charging speed and therefore good turnover rate.

I don’t think it’s the ambient conditions. Across multiple trips from Cupertino to Incline Village or Reno, our one stop option is Soda Springs or Truckee Soaring Way. I’ve arrived at both late evening in the snow with 10% left and Truckee charges like a bat out of hell, while Soda Springs...

That’s putting it mildly but the powder on the slopes today is worth it !

Same problem with charging speed for me at this SC on two Tahoe trips . Including last night in the weekend travel chaos around chain control and the snow piled up making some stalls inaccessible. To the guy in the white MS last night at 1030pm tugging so hard on the cable as to almost destroy...

Not sure if it helps but I’m on basic autopilot and the Advanced software update toggle setting as opposed to the standard one . Maybe it gets scheduled differently if you’re on EAP or FSD . I’ve gotten software updates multiple times this year already .

That’s the right app version. When I got the first S, it was the only Tesla model around in any significant number, ignoring the Roadster. It was a nice friendly community and everything. Now though... I live in dread of someone coming and asking me why my car doesn't look like a regular Model 3.

Received the new software update tonight. I’d been wondering why my Sept 2023 build with HW4 didn’t get the UWB phone key feature and voila, it shows up in this update. Needs the up to date phone app. It only showed me the upgrade option on the app when I toggled Bluetooth off and back on.

Drove up to Tahoe again last weekend. We faced the huge snowstorm at the Donner summit, which thinned out traffic to almost nothing . Once again, the car performed great - the tires seemingly got better after a few minutes over snow. The wheel wells tend to accumulate a lot of muddy snow though...

Great to hear that. I'm definitely surprised how much better the car is than what I thought were pretty well grounded expectations after owning an older S. This is definitely a very different car in cold weather and high altitude conditions.

Drove from the Bay Area to Lake Tahoe this past ski week with the family and 2 small/medium size dogs and a bunch of cold weather gear (sleds etc). Here's a quick review of the experience. tl;dr - the car did extremely well with both hill driving to altitude (8200ft) and weather (15 degree...

The current burgundy as well we the prior two generation (green and yellow) stickers run through Sept 30 2025. That's a fair bit of time. https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/fact-sheets/current-clean-air-vehicle-decal

CAV decals appear to take 3 months to process. 9/2023 purchase, got plates first week of October and applied, got burgundy stickers last weekend. I expected to get the hideous green ones but am happy I got burgundy.

Ambient lighting ? I wish they'd just let us display the trip card and other features that used to be possible to show on the fronl dash, not on the main display. They've curtailed the set of information that could previously be shown on the front dash. It's a sign that even spending on S/X...

Went from a 2016 MS with coil to a 2023 with the latest air suspension. The most notable thing is that my spouse no longer gets motion sickness on hilly roads. She *does* get motion sickness from sport or insane mode acceleration, which is why I didn't bother with the Plaid.

I sold my 2016 75D for a 2023 LR. Total all inclusive cost was in the low 50Ks thanks to the price I got for the old car. What I like about the 2023: * Vastly greater range, excellent combined consumption close to rated range. * The ventilated seats and far better climate control * Air...

Having owned two Model Ss across close to 8 years now, and having put ~110000 miles on them, my view is that range anxiety is not a function of just range - it is a function of two variables - the available functional range and the ubiquity of the charging infrastructure. If your car has ~350...

I sold my 2016 75D with FUSC last month, ordering the new S the day after the price cuts. I had SC01 and premium connectivity. Tesla offered 14K trade in for it. Carvana etc were ~18K. I sold it for nearly 30K private party. The two main discerning buyers both knew about and wanted to confirm...

Interesting. Looking at the Torklift site, the pre-refresh cars get two hitch options - 1.25" and 2". The new refresh only gets a stainless steel 2" option, which is what I have. It came with a SAE grade 5 bolt for the receiver.

I had the torklift hitch installed on my 2023 MS this weekend too. Anticipating potential tailstrikes, I took off the receiver except for when I need to use it. I also found it concerning that there's just that single bolt, but I expect to have the receive on only during summer months in...

One of the most interesting personal observations after a month of ownership is hill driving. My spouse is prone to motion sickness. To the point of needing a break to throw up roadside on occasion. This used to be fairly routine and anticipated in the past. Didn't seem to help even if I babied...

Miles. I have no idea how to price it anyway. On FUSC cars, it does not display the prices - it always shows $0.00 worth of charging anywhere.

I sold my 2016 75D last month. It had 107000 miles on it. Original HV battery and DUs. 90% was 207 miles 100% was ~230 miles The same figures at the time of purchase were 232 and 259 miles respectively, meaning under 12% degradation. My charging practices were to typically charge to 80% or...

Ouch. How did you install the hitch - I didn't have one on my old car and am yet to scope out how to go about doing so on the new arrival. I'm handy enough around cars, having worked on my E39 but am careful about fiddling with a brand new car's panels.

For those of you who've installed bike racks of some kind on your Model S, what led you to choose what you did - either a roof rack or rear hitch mounted one ? Considering one or the other for my new 23. The factors as I understand them are: Roof + Easy to install + Rack alone has...

Haven't they already done that ? During week 1 of the price cut they offered a $1000 loyalty discount on top of the price cut - and I got that. Now it's apparently just $500. A few anecdotal points: * I ordered the day after the price cut (9/2). I got the car within a week (9/9). I was the...

I had Homelink program flawlessly on both my cars. I pointed the remote at the 'T' in front, with the frunk shut. Most recently, I did this two weeks ago with the new car. I also kept the button pressed on the remote for ~10-15 seconds until the lights blinked.

Mine had the PPF film on the rear flares too. Admittedly I didn't notice them on my car during the pick up inspection two weeks ago - it was essentially flawless. At first glance when I finally noticed it last weekend, I thought I'd been keyed by a very careful vandal who marked very straight...

Thats right, they farm you out to a bunch of local Acura and other dealerships - at least thats what happened to me here. Some convenience value, but its just a glorified trade in process.

Just sold my old '16 two weeks ago, days after picking up the new 23. Tesla's trade in value was a laughable 14K. It ultimately sold for just under 30k to a PP buyer for. Carvana etc were just under 20k, but I ultimately sold at the upper end of KBB excellent range via PP. For a much newer...

Yeah the 'energy tach' wasn't worth much more than the coolness factor, but I always found the trip card useful, able to modulate my driving to keep to the ~273 Wh/mi that corresponded to 100% of rated range, something that wasn't too hard to hit during long drives, except in cold winter weather.

Update on differences between a 2016 and 2023 after 2 weeks of owning the latter (and managing to sell the former within a couple of days of picking up the new one): * Getting used to the higher standard regen. I find it better than the one in the old car; it makes for much more effective one...

It’s really interesting how the order to delivery time has evolved the last two weeks. In my case: Order date: 9/2 VIN date: 9/6 Pickup schedule comms: 9/6 (for week of 9/11, requested weekend) Pickup date: 9/9 (car was a 9/2023 build) Order config: MS LR Blue/Cream/19”/steering wheel...

Getting to Kettleman from Cupertino in my old 75D wasn't such a big deal. Yes you want to avoid really going hard, but I was keeping up with the flow of 70-72mph in Chill Mode with a family+dog on board. I used to start with 95% (about 220 miles then) and get there with 15% or so. Keeping up...

I have a steering wheel and it is heated. The owner's manual climate control section states that the yoke is heated too.

19”s. Only ever had the stock 19”s on my two cars - the first with coils. I keep my suspension in auto as well, on the new one. I haven’t driven it enough in each mode to really opine. The coils on the old one were fine, nothing fancy.

Both the trunk and frunk are shallower in the 2023 than in my 2016. I looked it up: 2016 Tesla Model S/Cargo volume 26.3 ft³, 60.2 to 63.4 ft³ with seat area 2023 Tesla Model S/Cargo volume 25 ft³, 64.6 ft³ with seat area The higher volume with seat down is probably on account of the...

I just sold my old 2016 last week for a 2023 LR. Here's a summary of all the things we noticed. 1. Right off, wife said she MUCH prefers the new seats on this car. She was never a fan of the shape of the old seats and complained of neck pain on it. The new one took away all of that - 10...

When I ordered on 2/9 , the estimate was 'September/October'. Nothing ever changed about that. But I got the VIN on 9/6 and they texted me soon after to prepare for delivery during week of 9/11. I requested a weekend delivery so family could be present, and they offered me 9/9. All the while...

> The referral money is only $500 now instead of $1,000 When did that happen ? I ordered 9/2 (an MSLR) and got the $1000 loyalty discount.

I got an email when the VIN was assigned, for both my cars. This time though, the email didn't state what the VIN was. I could only find that on my Tesla account or within the app.

The Tesla buying experience is minimalist, like the car interiors are. It's not the Porsche European Delivery experience or anything remotely like it. At the Sunnyvale delivery center, half the place was under construction and the waiting area didn't even have a functional water dispenser. If...

Thanks! Yeah I get the feeling the M3/MY based focus on the main display has resulted lesser investment into the UI/UX of the front display. It's certainly a step back for me to not have the trip card, something I'm used to always seeing. Hopefully this will change in a future SW update.

There's a sticker on your driver side doorjamb reporting month and year.

Back when I got my first MS , it sounded like conventional received wisdom that the cars came out of Fremont with 50 miles on the odo. That’s what mine had , and it pretty much rolled out of the factory. My current car came with 15 miles on the odometer. As far as I’d assumed, that’s the new...

I got it within a week of ordering - ordered on 9/2 right after the price drop, delivery of a 9/2023 build with my chosen configuration on 9/9 .

MSLR, 19", Deep Blue Metallic, Cream/Walnut .

Mine is an MSLR, not MSP . Not sure how much of a difference that makes to assembly line scheduling. 19", deep blue metallic but cream/walnut decor. When I went to pick up at Sunnyvale, I was the only MS buyer in the lot. There was one MX. Both these cars had the 'privilege' of being covered...

Yes, the car was delivered in Sunnyvale CA maybe 10 miles from Fremont, and I do believe you're right in that the S and X are produced only at Fremont. I admit I was surprised how soon the VIN assignment and delivery was - I thought they assigned me an older inventory, despite my declining...

This question is specific to the current MS . My old MS with AP1 and the portrait oriented 17” used to let me configure the left or right side of the front display to instantaneous consumption trip data. I always found this useful . It was my default view. I also found the tire pressure view...