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I actually haven't heard of a battery replacement in a Prius yet. And where I live is Prius country to an absurd extent. I'll grant you that's anecdotal, though! My old Prius went from 100k to 172k, and went from around 45mpg to around 41 over those miles. I think the primary culprit was the...

Possibly so. After incentives/rebates, I'm paying $16k. I could probably get a base Volt for about $3k more, but all the Prius Primes come with things like DRCC, premium audio, lane departure alert, heated seats, etc. I could be wrong, but I think a similarly equipped Volt would be a lot more.

That's very interesting. What makes for so much less electric consumption? I mean, besides the shorter EV range.

PS-- I'm still discovering just how to approach my commute, because it's a tough one. One way is a series of steps to ever-higher elevation with one major peak of probably 1700 ft, from a starting point of 65 ft. After that, it's down and up again to half that elevation. Very tough on HV or EV...

You raise very good points. And what I meant was the proclaimed combined mileage of EV+hybrid mode in each. But the specific use cases certainly differ. I was strongly considering a Volt. But it was getting on up into M3 money for the Premiere trim. The other factor I considered, fairly or not...

Nearly religious devotion to Tesla? :) Don't get me wrong -- I remain a major fan. I love what Elon M. is doing. It's truly fantastic that he's moved the goalposts so very far ahead of everyone else. I want in. But as you say -- I needed a car. For around half the price, I got a fun-to-drive...

Are you saying the something here is the M3, or is the Prius? If it's the M3, I don't think the metaphor holds, unless the silver plate runs $1,000 and its contents are steadily increasing in cost! :)

I think your conjecture is quite right -- that is probably not a part of the calculation. It's pure conjecture as well, but I do sometimes wonder if Musk has simply lost touch. Even with a total lack of malice, it's easy to do that from orbit! :) It is also true for me that the lack of rebates...

Yep, trying to be smart with total expenditure in pursuit of a green car is about the sum total of things. It can feel like heresy around these parts to say, but the M3 is not perfect in every possible way, much as I desire one and will continue to.

Ha! And the SR version only exists in catalogues for next year.

Oh! Thank you.

A fine point. Since my daily commute is 95% highway, I find this rather important.

Pardon my ignorance here, but what is PV?

That's a really interesting point. And I suppose it explains why, outside the weird bubble where I live, they aren't as popular. People in this extremely blue region went whole hog for the Prius immediately, replacing the former regional mascot, the Subaru Legacy wagon. A large portion of the...

Wow! Thank you for all that info. I can certainly appreciate the viewpoint. My original plan was to buy a cheaper used Prius to keep driving until the M3, because my experience with my old Prius was 100% positive. But $16k changed things. Really that simple. I don't maintain that the Prime is...

I think the point of such things is clear in a place whose express purpose is discussion. I'm here to find out what people think; to get a sense of others' opinions and thought processes around the central theme of Tesla electric vehicles. I have been deeply invested in what TMC has been up to...

Yep, $16k is a convincing argument! It's a new 2017. Mind you, that's figuring in state (Massachusetts) rebate and federal incentives after an out-the-door total of $22k. I'm also a longtime member of Prius Chat, and the bad news is that the Northeast is home to deals like this, whereas the...

I strongly considered the Volt. In the end, two things stopped me. One -- I got a lot more useful technological bells and whistles for less money with the Prius. If I'm gonna pay 39k for a well-equipped Volt, well, hello Model 3! Two -- every experience I've had with a GM was either bad or...

Interesting lot of opinions! I really appreciate it. Two things to clarify: I was being a bit silly about trust funds. I'm a writer, and I went to school with a bunch of legit trust funders, who were often very nice people, but also often mystified by the spendthrift behavior of the rest of us...

I bought into, and still believe in, the promise of a Tesla for the masses. And me, I'm the masses. I really, really want an electric car. A 35k Tesla is just (barely) within reason for my finances. The other electrics don't appeal like a Tesla. Not at all. But then my '04 Prius, best car I've...

I keep trying to like the Clarity. But it looks like some '90s designer Rip van Winkled into 2018 and finally crafted the ultimate "futuristic" vehicle for driving while you imbibe Pepsi Clear. It is the Pontiac Aztek of hybrids. I just can't make it happen.

Well, honestly, the only time I care is when, like today, I motored up a steep, snowy hill to my workplace in Vermont. I've never had AWD, and my Prius is my first FWD. Maybe I'll regret it later, but I'm totally fine with RWD! I kind of miss steering into a skid now and then. :) I am indeed...

As an East Coast non-owner who reserved in Sept. of '16, I'm getting pretty concerned about bridging the gap until the 3. The site currently says mid-2018 for a base model, and that would be entirely do-able by me. But I have a 14-year-old Prius that will be at 200K miles by mid-2018, a date...

Ugh! Par, not part. Stinkin' autocorrect.

True, if unexciting! I saw one the other day and found its ugliness on part with the Azteca. That is a seriously ugly car. Put with that multiple bad experiences with Chevrolet, and for me it's down to Prius or 3.

To which I would say that I am very well aware of all these facts. The delay is also troubling. Not receiving a $3750 or $7500 credit might simply mean I drive another hybrid. I have a large amount socked away, but every few thousand higher means a new examination of one's long-term...

I'm a member, but I don't think I have posted before. Just here to say that I think many, many people like me view this with extreme trepidation. May not pass, but if it does, I'll be volcanically angry. Like, I bet, a lot of wannabe M3 buyers, I've never been a high earner. (Thank you...

Am I the only one who's still having trouble getting to the estimator? It gives me an error every time, as it has since this morning. Nothing on my end solves this, so I assume the site's overloaded.