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All of this over $1.5 million, what a stupid PR move! Yes I know that is the settlement and not necessarily what it would have cost to be honest from the beginning. But had they just been honest they could have gained/kept us early adopters as free evangelicals of the brand. But by obviously...

I still remember the EV's are more reliable and have a lower cost of ownership than ice cars. Wow that statement did not age well. Neither did the best warranty claim.

I agree 100% with this statement. Enough to click the 'like' button and say so!

Guys smart electric has been going on about how his is fine for over a year now. In a very insensitive manner, belittling our issues. Either his experience has been excellent or Elon sent him a truck load of Koolaid, I suspect the latter. Maybe belittling others problems makes him feel better...

That sounds like a very ageist comment. Sounds like you're saying people younger than you are less capable than people your age and will always be. There is a lot more than just the battery tech. All the software, driver interface controls, regen capability, yeah thats all new in this...

Ignoring one of the biggest if not the biggest concerns about EVs, ie the battery, and then going on to claim how reliable it was doesn't make sense. That's like saying my iPhone is indestructible except for the 7 broken screens I had to replace. A sample size of 1 Nissan leaf doesn't really...

Oh but I have had many fanboys tell me that the value of their model 3's will go up because they will become revenue generators as self driving taxis in early 2020. A coworker bought 2 in 2019 because of this thought. Donated his reliable Toyotas to charity in the process. Another interesting...

And that's a bad thing?

I wonder what will happen to the majority of model s cars post the 8 yr warranty. Right now it seems to appear that they are trying to limp the batteries past the 8yr mark. Its clear to me that concern for customer satisfaction vaporized over a year ago. So at that point what happens? Do they do...

I know they have made improvements. But will they be enough? It don't think so otherwise why reduce the warranty. Keep it the same or increase it to show confidence in their product. Why intriduce warranty clauses that list performance reductions via ota as not covered if they had enough...

We are a small group of tesla owners affected vs total teslas produced so far. I assume for the most part we paid significantly more for our model s than the current diehard model 3 fans did. I also assume model s buyers didn't have to do the tesla stretch a lot of model 3 buyers are doing. Yet...

If you are upset don't give more of your money to tesla and vote with your wallet. I did and my new car already has a recall for a potential fuel pump failure. Honda will replace it for free just call or message the dealer and schedule an appointment. No stupid one size fits none only way to...

I had my dash damaged at the service center when in for the airbag recall. It was very frustrating to have to go back to get them to order a replacement and convince them they did it. They should have just said yes we made a mistake and we are taking care of it.

I remember when service was awesome and I would tell anyone who would listen how great it was. Then it started to deteriate and that deteriation has only accelerated. Service was bad enough when my S was totaled a year ago that I bought a gas car instead. Something I previously claimed I would...

There are many different types in this thread. The optimist, the theorist, the realist and the apologist. I might be missing some and some are a combination. The apologist will blame the realist for the issues they have. The apologist may be part theorist and provide a theory to support their...

Perhaps you could show where wk057 said he believes this is a safety issue. Now safety issue or not I don't have confidence that the batteries would have a useful life in a car beyond 5 years. Useful for me means still being able to takes trips for vacation around 500 miles one way minimum. So...

I agree it would be great to show your car is in great shape but also it could show it's not. I went without paying for gas, it was great until the charge rate slowed way down. Part of having a Tesla for many people is the quick acceleration. Not using the quick acceleration to avoid huge near...

Imagine the reduction in resale for used model S cars if there was a screen that showed battery health vs supposed range left on a charge like we currently have. I think people would be willing to pay a lot less if the battery health was visible and showed something like 62%. I think it could...

Agree with the previous comment about excellent service before the model 3. I use to tell anyone who would listen how great they were. Now the service is terrible. Now they try to force you to do everything through the app, that does not work for every issue. They deny blatantly obvious issues...

You are comparing what chevy includes on the cost of a new vehicle that was similarly priced to your used Tesla, this is comparing apples to oranges. Calling software updates and unlimited supercharging gimme gimme is not accurate because these are features that were paid for when the car was...

The poster also likely paid a lot more for their Tesla than the Chevy in your comparison. Updates are included in the purchase of the Tesla not the Chevy so not an applicable comparison. Also many updates are to fix issues that the car should never of had, therefore saving Tesla money on...

If someone robs the guy next door for years and gets away with it are you saying they should get away with robbing you too since they have been doing it to your neighbors without consequence?

I believe most people upset about the battery charge throttling and charge voltage limiting aren't upset about degradation. That should be more than obvious by now. I believe they are upset because they think that the battery settings were reduced to avoid warranty and they are being mislead.

Can you imagine being this guys neighbor? What if you show someone all these videos and proof about polution and they can't afford a Tesla and need a car that can travel long distance without long charging stops? You seemed confident once they saw the proof they would buy one. This just proves...

I don't understand why someone would give a company that they feel cheated them any more money. I understand that a lease means you aren't stuck with the battery/charge gated car. If you feel they cheated you buy from someone else. I know a lot of people say they will only buy electric, I use to...

Shortly on the news, 'Amazon in now out of toilet paper, bleach and letter sized sticker paper.'

But stealing battery capacity from individuals is ok? Seams like an opposite of Robinhood idea.

Looks like a model 3 owner tried to tear off the sticker but was too distracted by the koolaid to finish.

I respectfully disagree with that suggestion. Someone else's, including a company's, wrong behavior does not make it ok if you do it. Showing a perspective buyer an invoice that says it's just fine when you know it's not fine is deliberately deceitful. You are pretty upset that Tesla is wronging...

Agreed.

How do we know its not both to prevent fires and reduce wear on a worn out pack to get past the warranty period?

I hope you are right. However the replacement program should have been running a year ago and everything else indicates they want the older model S cars to go away and they don't seam to care how it affects PR. People are buying their cars new now anyway despite all of this.

But that will likely reduce salvaged tesla values. Reducing what insurance gets for them at auction therefore higher insurance rates.

This is new and different. It's actually permanent. Threatening to go after those who turn it back on..

I do know they know if the air bags have been deployed. I got a call almost immediately. Also likely a service monitors registration changes and reports it. Example I had gap insurance on a travel trailer, sold the trailer and got a refund for the gap insurance. I never let the gap insurance...

You damage the hood and a fender they may total it. No I am not exaggerating, go look at auction cars many newer teslas then ours are totaled with very little damage.

How do you know there is going to be a replacement program? Its obvious there is a replacement supply constraint and quotes of $24k for a replacement are not reasonable.

Agreed with model S genocide, they seem to want the old cars off the road asap. Now they claim they will seek compensation if you reactivate dc fast charging even on non tesla chargers. Interesting that they think they can seek compensation on a car that isn't their property for dc fast charging...

That's really good to know about the trees. Although a bit surprised that there WW2 bombs near trees planted to be harvested. When I first heard about clearing the trees I was shocked. This doesn't address the waste with a 6yr battery life and no replacement program in sight.

I agree we need a better solution than ICE for the planet. However I no longer believe it's Tesla EV's. Clearing a forest in Germany for a manufacturing plant. Producing cars that follow a disposable model because the battery is only good for about 6 years. Battery replacements are quoted at...

You misunderstood my point. The point was today they offer a 150k mile warranty on a model S battery when it used to be unlimited, excluding the 60kwh battery. So I wonder what the million mile warranty will be. Not that they can legally change the warranty terms on a already sold product as...

I am curious what warranty the million mile battery will have. Because the original unlimited mile warranty batteries now come with a 150k miles.

What's really amazing is we the S and X owners are the ones who provided word of mouth that convinced the 3's to buy their 3. How ironic now they are so drunk on the koolaid they now ignore us or tell us were doing it wrong.

I have to give him credit as a man on a mission. Boldly going forward while quoting and responding out of context. I want to thank you, my Saturday was sort of boring until now!

Says captain obvious. But that wasn't the point of the quoted post.

Did you misquote the wrong post again? The response has no relevance on the quoted post.

So how else is he supposed to get there? Have the car towed? Are you saying the superchargers are just for looks to irritate ice owners?

According to this guy we should have ignored Elons and Tesla's guidance and instead relied on our experience with RC cars. Wait what if we didn't have your level of experience with RC cars? Maybe that should have been a prerequisite to buying a tesla. While we're at it at what point do we draw...

Lol typical blame the fellow tesla owner since this hasn't affected you personally. So it must be their fault since to state otherwise would be to admit your car could have this problem in the future. Head in the sand after finishing the koolaid.

Agreed if the replacement is a newer revision but we don't know that they will always do that. I feel its obvious they are trying to save money and limp the cars past the warranty period regardless of bad PR and customer experience. So it seams obvious that they will use any same size or larger...