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    Tires, Wheels, Mats - 2013 P85+

    Price cut: (1) Set of four 19” Cyclone wheels + TPMS + Pirelli Sottozero 3 245/45R19 Winter Performance tires. One wheel has some curb rash. Three tires are 6/32”, one tire 4/32” (tread depth measured at the lowest point). The fifth wheel has TPMS and Blizzak LM-60 winter performance tire at...
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    Unable to power 12V system from battery charger in 2021+ MS LR

    I had appointment today with Tesla Mobile Service to fix non-operational electric door unlatch (manual was opening the door) and charge port door which would not open using a button on mobile connector plug (and couple other even more minor things). While replacing the charge port tech...
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    Tires, Wheels, Mats - 2013 P85+

    Price cut: (1) Set of four 19” Cyclone wheels + TPMS + Pirelli Sottozero 3 245/45R19 Winter Performance tires. One wheel has some curb rash. Three tires are 6/32”, one tire 4/32” (tread depth measured at the lowest point). The fifth wheel has TPMS and Blizzak LM-60 winter performance tire at...
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    Tires, Wheels, Mats - 2013 P85+

    All weather trunk mats are sold, all tires/wheels are available.
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    Tires, Wheels, Mats - 2013 P85+

    Sale is pending for (5) above.
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    Tires, Wheels, Mats - 2013 P85+

    No adjustment is required at all. These 19" wheels are OEM fit, just bolt on. I did just that by myself in my garage for 6 winters. These wheels where purchased new from Tesla Parts as a direct fit to my 2013 P85+
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    Tires, Wheels, Mats - 2013 P85+

    Yes these 19" wheels are designed to fit P85+. In fact I used this very set on my P85+. The reason I went for 19" for the winter set is because higher aspect ratio (side wall height) provides a little more protection from road hazards, including pot holes - good for winter. Also, narrower...
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    Tires, Wheels, Mats - 2013 P85+

    Pictures for (3) and (4):
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    Tires, Wheels, Mats - 2013 P85+

    It is time to say goodbye to an old friend – 2013 P85+, and clean garage/basement from an associated stuff (Local pickup only – Philadelphia Suburbs) (1) Set of four 19” Cyclone wheels + TPMS + Pirelli Sottozero 3 245/45R19 Winter Performance tires. One wheel has some curb rash. Three tires are...
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    2019.40.2.3 for AP1 cars

    Thanks! So what year and mileage is your MS and what was level in % and range for the charge before the update and after it?
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    2019.40.2.3 for AP1 cars

    How did you get 6 miles back? Does car immediately show more range after the update, increase range after charging, or after charging several times, etc. Can you elaborate?
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Interesting look at rarely available Li-ion cell cost data from Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF): Vladimir Grinshpun on Twitter
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Looks like Porsche is behind Tesla in battery technology by at least 6 years. Thread: Vladimir Grinshpun on Twitter
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    My point is that according to EPA application I linked the M3 motor used in Raven is not switched reluctance. And yes, you are correct, Raven is using M3 motor up front - I was sloppy with the wording.
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    You are misinterpreting these Applications. They are submitted to EPA before equipment goes into production. Also, Raven is using M3 motors. They were not specifically developed for Raven. The second document I posted is the latest on file with EPA, and it is covering M3 motor used for Raven.
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Raven is using motor from M3. The description is the same in other EPA documents as well: https://iaspub.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=46583&flag=1
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Why do you think that M3 and Raven rear motors are switched Reluctance? The description Tesla included on their EPA application does not seem to support this. https://iaspub.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=46585&flag=1
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Another puzzling thing that seem to be overlooked is that Porsche told C&D that Taycan is capable of only 10 consecutive 2.6 seconds 0 to 60 mph launches. Unless I am missing something, this means that during the 26 0 to 200 km/h launches Taycan is not reaching 60 mph in 2.6 seconds, but is...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Translation from Porsche speak: "repeatability of power" = loss of 0.8 seconds over 26 consecutive 0 to 200 km/h launches OR a loss of 0.7 seconds when narrated during the live-stream of the event (7:21 mark) :rolleyes: 2020 Porsche Taycan Debuts Today: See The Livestream Here Need another...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Are we going to have another "asterisk" thread? Porsche battery capacity mentioned in the media (presumably from the Porsche reveal media kits) is about 10 percent higher than actual usable capacity: 93.4 kWh vs. 83.7 kWh usable. T☰SLA Mania on Twitter
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    MSM: Tesla is a "niche" manufacturer. Hard data: Tesla Model 3 decimates US midsize luxury segment

    A trusting MSM follower might conclude that Tesla is a "niche" company in deep trouble because of "demand cliff" Hard data prove the opposite: M3 DECIMATED US midsize luxury segment, more so than the worst econ. disaster since 1929 Great Depression: 2008 Financial Crisis US midsize lux...
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    Not really. His claim is that TOTAL battery capacity is 74 kWh. Assuming 2 kWh buffer would yield battery usable capacity of 72 kwh. Ben's video was showing 75 kWh. As discussed earlier, this is likely conservative figure because they took a break for lunch. So any drain during this...
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    If regeneration is accounted the way you described, I actually think that "since last charge" number is accurate. In such case Ben's video proves that @wk057 research didn't produce accurate data.
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    I am not hundred percent sure on this. If your interpretation is correct, Ben Sullin's data are legit. @wk057 assertion that he doctored results is preposterous.
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    They are measuring battery voltage and current - see pp 4 and 5 of the Tesla EPA Certification Application (01/28/2019) document I linked up-thread, where the test instrumentation and setup are shown. Note Battery voltage and current measurement instrumentation - Hoiki 3390-10, and pictures...
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    Yes, this makes a lot of sense - as mentioned, anything that does not come from @wk057 research and does not conform to his claims is fwaud.
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    To set record straight on the "put up or shut up", I did provided testing documentation, complete with links. In his attempts to dismiss the testing data @wk057 made several claims that are wrong so it is his turn.
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    The reason Ben Sullin's test did not produce definitive results is because the run included significant elevation change first going up, then down (in excess of 1,000 ft), so on a way down there was significant regeneration component, in effect charging the battery. So total kWh since the last...
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    I see, the “about” part, in your opinion, is useful in evaluating accuracy of actual test data..
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    From what I see, including with my car, the battery capacity is not a rigidly fixed number, there is a variation due to the fact that testing involved two different cars with two different packs. I believe that nominally the battery capacity is approximately the same, but these two cars...
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    I've addressed this before: the yellow shadowed area - Energy (Wh) and Distance (mi) as well as Recharge AC Watts are actual measured test data from the dynoed car. Other parameters on that sheet are calculated based on this test data.
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    The data that I linked show that testing for Model S P85D was duplicated by EPA in the Volkswagen lab independently at the date other than the original testing by Tesla. The key is that coefficients that are entered into the dyno and its calibration need to representative of the actual load...
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    They absolutely did and do. I maintain a library of many of these applications from Tesla, which typically followed by confirmatory testing done by EPA - as I shown earlier in the case of Model S P85D, at the VW lab. The reason I always post links to all documents I snap shot is because the...
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    That is very objective description of the discussion we had. Please note that in the previous posting i did not include pages that explicitly state what is actual test data. Take a look at my latest post, it includes data sheets which specifically label test results as such: "Range Test...
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    As I've shown the data submitted by Tesla was duplicated by EPA in the Volkswagen test lab. What is cute is to refuse to acknowledge reality. But I forget, you actually do not read any REAL data. And by the way, if you are so averse to anything coming from Tesla, did you mark "disagree" on...
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    This IS actual testing data. Duplicated/approved by TWO third parties: CARB and EPA. What is your basis for calling it false data? It is most certainly not. EDIT: I did not post this particular data before.
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    Hey @DavidB what are you disagreeing with? You clicked "disagree" within the seconds of me posting, so obviously did not even look at data. So what is exactly do you find to disagree? Documents filed by Tesla containing official data sheets?
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    This is just preposterous. You always manage to turn any attempt at serious adult discussion into a farce. Since when an outdated (where is MR?) general descriptive materials somehow override official test results submitted by Tesla to State and Federal government agencies (CARB and EPA)...
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    So here we go, 78 kWh @wk057 was looking for. 15 miles of range in M3 is equivalent to more than 3 kWh of energy, assuming that Tesla unlocked additional battery capacity with the update. Looks like evidence on this is not solid, but even if no additional battery capacity was unlocked...
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    Yellow shaded areas on the above document are test measurements. The data you showed here does not match data produced by professional labs. Your conclusion is that everything that does NOT come from you is BS. That makes perfect sense. Reminds me about this joke: A senior citizen was...
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    You can't be serious. Vehicle DC Wh/mile is measured Total (System AC) Wh/mile is measured Charge depleting miles are measured Calculated part is product of 2 times 3 for AC energy into the charger, while product of 1 times 3 for DC energy extracted from the battery
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    Calculated Wh highlighted above is based on Charge Depleting Highway miles x Vehicle DC Wh/mile, i.e. DC capacity of the battery. Recharge Event Energy above is based on Charge Depleting Highway miles x Total (System AC Wh/mile, i.e. AC energy going into the charger
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    The testing includes data for both Vehicle DC Wh and Total (System AC) Wh, both are shown in the post I linked. The numbers I listed above are DC energy extracted out of the battery. The energy going into the charger is higher due to charging losses.
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    Nope. There is clearly a consistent difference between the charge depleting testing done by independent professional labs and data reported by you. I don't quite understand your desire to dismiss work by others instead of trying to understand the reason for differences and learn something from it.
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    Tesla's 85 kWh rating needs an asterisk (up to 81 kWh, with up to ~77 kWh usable)

    Presumably above capacities are derived from BMS software data. The actual physical EPA depleting discharge testing data (based on SAE J1634 Multi-Cycle Procedure), don't match the above data. Below are USABLE capacities. LR: 78,270 Wh LR AWD: 79,213 Wh MR: 63,180 Wh SR+...