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It is common knowledge that you don’t charge daily to 100% a NMC battery. You do charge to 100% a LFP battery. The M3 Highland RWD is a LFP battery equipped EV. So, that one, you can charge it to 100% everyday if you want. The M3 Highland Long Range (AWD) is a NMC battery equipped EV. This one...

No.

If you go down a slope of a hill, but the Earth is tilted the other way, for you it is like going down, but in fact you are going up. The question should be answered by @Cubu. He’s the "no-brainer" guy.

Here you are ! Don’t let the door slap you on exit. Don’t forget, Earth is not only flat, it is also tilted.

Good thing is that it doesn’t look like you have too many. So losing all or losing some doesn’t make it worse.

Thank you for testing. It is what I was expecting, battery preconditioning for charge doesn't start while the car is plugged in.

Yes, in cold weather at least. In temperatures above freezing, Chill mode only compromises the acceleration.

I doubt it would be possible, but needs to be tested. AFAIK the preconditioning for charging is only allowed when the car isn’t plugged in. Yes, you could precondition for 20-25 minutes unplugged then you plug the car and refill it, but … needs to be tested.

It is Tesla and it is Europe, where Tesla can charge on other DCFC stations and as we all know, the preconditioning to charge doesn't work when navigating to non-Tesla DCFC. EA = EnhAuto and their S3XY buttons.

I know EA added the precondition on command and the cell Min temp is 36C when the precondition ends. I am not sure what you are seeing in the ScanMyTesla. When the Min value is 36C the Max value may exceed 50C.

I would say it is. Because from my experience, the time to get up to speed doesn't matter in the consumption per se. If you accelerate fast or slow, as long as you want to get to the same speed, the difference in consumption is nothing to write home about. Hard brakes is what makes the...

I can't answer to these questions. The Chill mode was put in place before the heat-pump was introduced in the Tesla lineup. I doubt either that there are many who are efficiency-nerds and are looking for every electron to squeeze from their battery (like me). It may not be a big difference and...

Because the battery is only heated to 36C when preparing to charge. For the rest of the time, the battery, while driving, is kept to a very low temperature in cold weather (5C to 10C battery temperature, sometimes even lower, but above 0C). And let me tell you, when your battery is at 2C (Chill...

When I drove in Chill, I always got a worse efficiency than when I was driving in Standard mode. Maybe because I wasn't used to the sluggish Chill mode and was pushing more the acceleration pedal. Either way, it is not a problem, you may be right. I don't like Chill mode. In my Bolt EV I had...

Not sure from where you guys got the 10C temperature ? I imagine you are talking about the message from @David99 who was talking about the battery temperature. Which has nothing to do with outside temperature. I also said in another post that no matter the temperature outside the car, while...

The Tesla heat-pump gets the heat from 14 places, not only from the ambient air. It's not "I can't provide the heat from the air, I'll try to get it from the rotors". From my experience, when driving in cold weather, the battery is always kept at around 7-11C when using the Standard mode. I...

He was talking about battery temperature, not outside temperature. And yes, when the car is plugged in, the battery is kept at around 10C. And I agree with you, I never used Chill mode in cold temperature (below freezing temperature). When I used it, it was less efficient than using Standard...

I don’t have an idea. Sorry, I am not sure how to check this. I use Stats app to preheat the battery : I have configured my Tesla to charge to 70% and I use Stats to charge 5% more in the morning, right before I leave home. If during charging is using the motor in an inefficient mode to heat the...

In my Tesla I saw average of 10C, when the car is plugged and charging. Usually min cell temp 8-9C, and max cel temp 11-12C.

Yes, I saw that. Also, I tested here the "preconditioning battery to charge".

Right.

I was talking about preheating the battery after sitting outside in the cold. Not the preconditioning for charge. We all know that a battery can get cold sometimes below 0C when it sits long time in cold weather and I was referring to that situation. Tesla Bjorn had a video about preheating the...

You have a cold battery all the time in this case. And 15 minutes aren’t enough to warm the battery, only the cabin. In cold weather, a Tesla unplugged, needs about 45 minutes of preconditioning to have a warm battery. Of course, it uses about 10% SOC at the end of this cycle. And when I say...

Here is what I learned in the 6 months I have my Tesla : it doesn’t like to be driven slow. I had a Bolt EV for 4.5 years before and it was unbelievable efficient when driven slow. But this was because it was a FWD and GM made its drivetrain really very efficient. Tesla is a very efficient RWD...

And I thought it was vice-versa : NCA has more cobalt, not less. My bad.

It's in the same way free as the heat in the ICEV. The EV components have also heat loses and Tesla use this heat where it is needed.

Short trips definitely impact the efficiency you see. If you don't precondition, it may be even less. I don't have a Model Y but a Model 3 LR AWD. This is the kind of efficiency you can expect from your MY in around 5 to 9 C temperatures. In that thread you also will find what to expect on the...

Interesting, for me the Chill mode seems to be worse than Normal mode. Maybe because I expect Chill mode to behave as Normal mode so I press more the pedal to get the same feeling. 🤫

I had a Volt for 4.5 years then a Bolt EV for other 4.5 years and the instant power was shown in numbers in the DIC. I already know that going from A to B it isn't that different in energy consumption (used in both cases) to write home about. The energy needed to go from 30 mph to 60 mph is a...

From the owners manual : >> If your vehicle is equipped with a heat pump (to determine if your vehicle has a heat pump, touch Controls > Software > Additional Vehicle Information), you can improve the efficiency of the cabin heating by reducing your selected acceleration mode (see Acceleration...

Which doesn’t say if normal mode vs chill mode is a thing, if you can accelerate in Normal mode as in Chill mode. In my Volt, accelerating hard to a set speed or accelerating gradually to the same speed, in the end, ended up to use about the same energy. The same was the case of my Bolt. For the...

From the start, you should know that the efficiency is dependant on 3 factors (known as the 3T) : - terrain : elevation and surface of the road - temperature : outside and inside, including the external factors like wind, snow, slush, rain - technique of driving : speed, acceleration and...

Sorry @honor_the_driv I don't know of a Tesla source stating the batteries' capacity.

I mentioned in my message : MIC = Made In China battery (by LG Chem). This battery has 78.8 kWh capacity. Canadians get the Tesla made in China, because Elon wanted to let the Americans to be able to use the 7500 $ Federal Tax credit. Which is totally understandable for me. The battery used for...

No, but it can be deducted. For example, my rated range is 333 miles. The battery of the MIC version is 78.8 kWh. This makes the efficiency that was used to give the rated range is : 78800/333 = 237 Wh/mi (4.22 mi/kWh or 147 Wh/km). This means, if I want to get the rated range, my trip...

Yes, as long as the efficiency of the trip is about the same as the one used by Tesla to show the rated range.

These are my numbers when charging on a V3 my Tesla MIC 2023 LR AWD : All in all, pretty much consistent. The first numbers were obtained from a charge when the exterior temperatures was around 15C, the second charge was done in temperatures of about 29C.

I think you got it wrong. The true answer is the following : Because over there they will only need to pay a third of what they would have payed in US and the rest of the money will go in the pockets of the CEOs and their shareholders. They will continue to pass onto customers the higher unit...

Looking at the middle class four decades ago and now... the shareholders would have nothing if the workers would stop working. Covid was a good test for our society as it was. And beware, the new generation doesn't take the corporation bullshit anymore as the one of my time (gen X). There will...

Who and why would someone care about shareholders over workers ?

Ahh, so you are talking about the difference between what Tesla and your EVSE reports as sent to the car. Yes, in this case the difference is about 5-6%. I have teslafi.com to confirm this to me too.

That would be news to me. So to make sure, what you see in the car as kWh used for a trip and the kWh added to bring back the battery state of charge at the same level as before the trip, you see 5% difference ?

Your Tesla reported 16 kWh used while the Tesla wall reported 20.7 kWh added to come back to 80%. So, the efficiency of charging is 16/20.7 = 77% To have an accurate report you should charge your Tesla to 100%, drive it then come back and charge to 100% back. Usually the difference between the 2...

Good trip.

2023 M3LR AWD : 8178 km, 160 Wh/km = 257.5 Wh/mi (short drives during the day and two long trips, 3 months ownership). 18 inch wheels, aero covers, Hankook Ventus S1 AS tires.

I am not sure if we can take into consideration the EPA numbers for the Tesla 2023 M3LR being that the EPA range is 333 miles, not 358 miles as specified in that pic.

This did the "cold weather" test too, but no Ioniq 6 in there.

Because of the exact situation described above, Tesla chose finally to add front mud flaps for free for the Canadian sold cars. But they were/are so poorly designed, that I chose to replace them the moment I got my Tesla with these. And yes, I did a PPF protection to the rockers of my Tesla.

I didn’t know this. Thank you !

If you drive the same distance in the same amount of time in both cases, there shouldn’t be any meaningful difference in efficiency.