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It has been happening to my car a couple times a week since delivery September 2020. Been through a lot of firmwares since then and it happened to all of them.

In my case the web page is still not updated, but I got VIN by email (403xxx) and delivery scheduled for September.

On June 23. I ordered a Model S but still no VIN has been assigned. Is this expected? It said August delivery but I guess that might not happen as I live in Norway.

It has been five days since this first appeared. Any confirmations yet? Did this all turn out to be bs?

Probably because it's an error and it never will be that fast. It looks to be confirmed wrong for other cars too: 75 and 75D variants increased performance from July 1st - software and hardware improvements?

rsan: As Bullet1 just posted a 3.0 sec run with a new 75D, wouldn't you agree that Powertools does not seem trustworthy? Or it really just shows that the comparison you and he did actually confirms a 1 seconds difference between new and old cars?

Did the P85 get Launch Mode as well?

I thought they just subtracted 0.2 seconds to simulate roll-out?

Even more specific, is it just for PD, or will it be available on the RWD P?

stopcrazypp: If you want higher acceleration you don't want higher gearing, but lower. I don't think it's a misunderstanding about electric motors, gearing is a concept that works with every kind of motor. For maximum acceleration you want to use the lowest possible gear until the torque...

There is clearly a need for some bulletpoints of actual facts of what you claim above JER. I would figure that claims on the buyers contract made without asteriks or any other sort of explanation is one of them. Free upgrades because of a "yes" on an australian tv-show or a non-scripted...

It's also interesting to note that the page still says 259+503 even if you buy a P85D without the L-upgrade.

Actually Tesla used to have a note that the horsepower was measured according to ECE R85, which seems to be the EV norm for stating hp (BMW uses it as well). It would be interesting to know why they removed it. I agree with stopcrazypop. It would probably only be usable as an argument against...

I agree, but Tesla didn't say faster. They said AWD is better than RWD: "We combined our new front drive unit and our P85 rear motor with the objective of outperforming one of the greatest supercars of all time, the McLaren F1. With P85D’s 0 to 60 mph performance of 3.2 seconds, we have...

You realize that only 1/1000th of the Norwegian Tesla owners signed the complaint letter?

No, you can't feel it. It's not the same thing. Try telling someone to tighten a screw using horsepower instead of torque as a measurement. Torque is a measurment of force, horsepower is a measurment of power. Edit: These kind of uneducated responses pops up on almost every single page. If all...

When you are talking about measuring acceleration such as 70-90mph between cars you would of course make sure the turbo is spooled up and you are in the right gear, hence the RS7 would be fast. In between the engine and the tires you have gearing. What you feel when you accelerate is the torque...

No, I'm absolutely not confusing power and torque, that would be you by the way you phrased your other text. I also see how conveniently your chart stops where the power drops at 75mph. You were referring to 70-90mph where the TMS is sub-optimal without gearing. With gearing that power would be...

Wrong. Apples and oranges. You are ignoring the fact that the TMS has no gears. Even if it had 691hp the torque fades of well before even 50mph. The RS7 has gears which enables it to deliver optimum power at 70-90mph, something the TMS never will.

Neither the P85D press release or Elons speech mentioned horsepower or 691hp in October. Elon even specifically kept it short and only said 50% more torque and better acceleration. Marketing somehow got ahead of engineering and added up the front motor and the rear motor horsepower. Why Elon...

Just out of curiosity, do we actually have any video of the F1 doing it in 3.2?

Well, that is exactly the problem, it used to be listed under options/specifications, hence my screenshot from the owners manual which was the only thing I could still find. It doesn't mean the information is false as it once was there and the P85D and P85 is well known for having the same...

I think every bit of information which can help shed some light on this matter is relevant. I'm replying to OP, feel free to stop reading my comments.

Am I the only one with this information in the owners manual or didn't anyone notice it?

And posting screenshots of the website probably doesn't hold up much legal value due to this note: No Warranties Or Representations THE INFORMATION ON THESE INTERNET SITES IS PROVIDED BY TESLA MOTORS, INC. "AS IS" AND TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, IS PROVIDED...

I'm not saying it's still there, but now they state "motor power" and 221hp+470hp. It used to be under options/specifications. Search for "ECE R85" in your owners manual and you will see what Tesla means by "motor power"

When Tesla put up 691hp on teslamotors.com there was a note which said "** Tested in accordance with ECE R85. This dyno based test does not take the battery into account." Why would you still think the car would be able to dyno 691hp with the 85kW battery?

But you are both assuming there is no base cost of making the car move from standstill, which I believe is wrong. You can probably calculate a percentwise cost of drivetrain loss as energylevel through it rises, but there is still some initial momentum needed (drivetrain resistance) to make it...

Heh, you can't math your way out of it. If you have two sets of mechanical drivetrains it would need twice the power to make it spin. Think about how this works if you split the car in half. On top of that you have the added weight of the D through the frontmotor compared to only RWD.

The P85D has 2x drivetrain loss through AWD. Hence it has to use more batterypower to generate the same power at the wheels.

I find the gear ratio, front vs rear, to be just as interesting. Why can't anyone obtain these? Does the 85D have the same front and rear ratio as the P85D? As the front motor in P85D is smaller (221hp) than the 85D (262hp), the 85D would be faster in high speed acceleration if the gear ratio is...

SoC was 100% for all cars?

This is for coil? Will it meet the German TÜV standard?

Do you have the graphs posted somewhere?

Now that the total power 691hp number is removed from their website, does it still exist anywhere? Not in the contract, not in the specifications and not in the manual as far as I can see.

Which is the point of the whole thread? You can have either 221 + some of the 470, or the other way around. Not 221 plus 470 at the same time.

The Tesla website is no longer saying 691hp, only 221 hp front, 470 hp rear motor power.

From the end of April the part numbers for SAS is the same for all the D models and not unique for P85D anymore. They also removed the text saying "specially designed performance suspension".

85 kWh Performance Model S P01350 | Tesla Motors Tesla sells preowned cars and lists a 2012 P85 with 470hp. This seems to confirm that all P85/P85+ have 470hp.

wk057, what firmware versions are used while filmed?

Yes it did say 470 from the start of 2014 when you looked under specs. It said 416 PS and 470 motor power all along. - - - Updated - - - Of course, almost all the P85 and S85 info has now been taken down, but I was still able to find this, which is identical to what the spec pages was more...

The P85 was actually rated at 476 in Europe, which should be 470 in US, which in turn is the same as the rear engine in the P85D. This makes sense as Tesla is saying P85D rear engine in the same as P85.

You seriously think that this test is done right? The Hellcat uses 17,4 sec and does only 82mph for 1/4 mile? Even the P85 makes 12,4 sec and is 0,8 slower than the P85D. With the same grip as P85D the Hellcat should be doing it in 10,8 and 126mph - SRT Hellcat Challenger 1/4 Mile 10.8 w/ Drag...

Motortrend tested both P85 and P85D in 1/4 mile drag and the difference was 0,8sec in favor of P85D (115mph vs 110mph). As we already know the P85D is about 1 second faster in 0-60mph races so the P85D has to be the about the same speed in high speed acceleration. The big rear engine is the same...