awww.... consumer reports p85d only got 3.5
Tesla P85D Handling, Braking, 0-60 Test Results | Consumer Reports - YouTube
If Tesla is using a one foot rollout then the times are consistent.
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awww.... consumer reports p85d only got 3.5
Tesla P85D Handling, Braking, 0-60 Test Results | Consumer Reports - YouTube
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How Does Horsepower Figure Into Electric Cars? - HowStuffWorks
Ricardo for those that may not know works for Tesla, his job is to oversee public relations, communications with customers, and Tesla’s presence online.
That is a very interesting response, because the thrust of that article is that an electric car doesn't need as many horsepower. I'd certainly agree with him that an electric car with 500hp is a much faster and more capable car than an ICE with 500hp, but it doesn't really help when you claim 691hp and don't seem to deliver it.
That is a very interesting response, because the thrust of that article is that an electric car doesn't need as many horsepower. I'd certainly agree with him that an electric car with 500hp is a much faster and more capable car than an ICE with 500hp, but it doesn't really help when you claim 691hp and don't seem to deliver it.
It should be clarified that he linked the article in his tweet. The article was not written by him.I had the exact same thought when I read it yesterday, and almost posted. If I had, I also would have asked if anyone here might have any idea why Tesla's head of communication would post something like that. It certainly does not strengthen their position on the horsepower issue in any way.
It should be clarified that he linked the article in his tweet. The article was not written by him.
Well, from the PBox data for the run in this thread with the P85D with no rollout nonsense:
60 MPH @ 3.78s @ 176.32 ft (53.74m)
50 MPH @ 2.97s @ 111.64 ft (34.03m)
40 MPH @ 2.22s @ 62.24 ft (18.97m)
30 MPH @ 1.72s @ 36.6 ft (11.16m)
20 MPH @ 1.14s @ 15.73 ft (4.79m)
10 MPH @ 0.63s @ 4.29 ft (1.31m)
Same P85D data subtracting 1 ft data from PBox:
60 MPH @ 3.47s @ 175.32 ft (53.46m)
50 MPH @ 2.66s @ 110.64 ft (33.72m)
40 MPH @ 1.91s @ 61.24 ft (18.67m)
30 MPH @ 1.41s @ 35.6 ft (10.85m)
20 MPH @ 0.83s @ 14.73 ft (4.49m)
10 MPH @ 0.32s @ 3.29 ft (1.00m)
Same data as first P85D data minus drag strip timer start time using distance and speed data from PBox for that time:
60 MPH @ 3.26s @ 173.56 ft (52.90m)
50 MPH @ 2.45s @ 108.88 ft (33.19m)
40 MPH @ 1.70s @ 59.48 ft (18.13m)
30 MPH @ 1.20s @ 33.84 ft (10.31m)
20 MPH @ 0.62s @ 12.97 ft (3.95m)
10 MPH @ 0.11s @ 1.53 ft (0.47m)
The data from that site about the McLaren F1:
60 MPH @ 3.2s @ 158.136 ft (48.2m)
50 MPH @ 2.7s @ 112.86 ft (34.4m)
40 MPH @ 2.1s @ 71.85 ft (21.9m)
30 MPH @ 1.5s @ 40.68 ft (12.4m)
20 MPH @ 0.9s @ 14.44 ft (4.4m)
10 MPH @ 0.5s @ 4.59 ft (1.4m)
(Google docs Spreadsheet scratchpad)
Not sure about you, but looks like I would have lost that 0-60 even taking off 1 ft.
PBox says at 1 ft I was 0.31s in @ 4.39 MPH. Drag strip started it's timers at 0.516s which the PBox shows as 7.87 MPH and 2.76 ft.
Close I guess? Took me ~18 ft further to hit 60...
Edit: Added more calculated potential data for the P85D based on 1 ft and drag strip differences.
My question (hypothetical scenario): Both cars (F1 and P85D) were side by side at a stop; Accelerator pedals pressed at the exact same time (perhaps the P85D's pedal would be electronically controlled to full power by a sensor on the initial press of the F1's pedal, for complete accuracy); A light was mounted to the top of each car which lit up immediately when it reached 60 MPH; A video was taken of this race; Which light would come on first in the video?
That is a very interesting response, because the thrust of that article is that an electric car doesn't need as many horsepower. I'd certainly agree with him that an electric car with 500hp is a much faster and more capable car than an ICE with 500hp, but it doesn't really help when you claim 691hp and don't seem to deliver it.
Put it on paper, send it to Tesla and let the chips fall where they may.
I will compose a letter that I hope many of us, with differing views on this, will be able to sign. It may take me a couple of days, as I have a lot on my plate right now, and I'll want to run a draft of it by a few people before posting, but I --will-- get this done in the next few days. At that point, I will start a new thread with the letter, and post pointers to it in the other relevant threads.
Actually, you can, HP is just a multiple of torque, with the multiplier being RPM of the wheels
No, you can't feel it. It's not the same thing. Try telling someone to tighten a screw using horsepower instead of torque as a measurement. Torque is a measurment of force, horsepower is a measurment of power.
Edit: These kind of uneducated responses pops up on almost every single page. If all you want to do is respond to the thread and don't care about the topic then I'm out of here. This is exhausting.
No, you can't feel it. It's not the same thing. Try telling someone to tighten a screw using horsepower instead of torque as a measurement. Torque is a measurment of force, horsepower is a measurment of power.
Edit: These kind of uneducated responses pops up on almost every single page. If all you want to do is respond to the thread and don't care about the topic then I'm out of here. This is exhausting.
just a thought, pretty much every car out there with 500+ hp has an internal combustion engine, which makes its power at the highest RPM. high rpm usually translates to high rate of speed, so.. since the p85d makes the most power at 0 RPM, and the least amount at high speed doesn't that invalidate and argument that the car does not pull like a 1hp for 7lb car at speed?
so what do we know about the p85d power curves in relation to RPM and MPH?
No, max torque is produced at 0 RPM, max power comes later, around 30 mph probably. We don't know what the P85D curve looks like for sure, for the P85, Tesla communicated specifically the RPM interval at which max power occurs (which translated to speeds between 40 and 70 mph), they unfortunately stopped doing that... for now obvious reasons. In any case, dyno runs and REST API logging have shown the flat-ish power band of the P85D to be quite wide, but way below 691hp, so a multi-ratio gearbox would not help at all, expect maybe at the top end when power starts to decrease again.
I perhaps did not phrase that well. I mean the Tesla pretty much accomplished the performance numbers they promised (0-60, 1/4 mile). People are not complaining about that outside of the rollout situation.
As for the 691hp issue, people are upset over the performance that they project a 691hp EV would have, but they aren't upset over the performance Tesla promised specifically.
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From what I can tell ydeevne means the same thing as "motor power". Look at the S60 and S85 numbers on the same screenshots. Both were listed as 385 hk ydeeve. Now S85 is listed as 367 hk, 385 hk ydeeve.
This matches how they advertise "motor power". S60 and S85 advertised at 380 hp motor power. S85 now advertised at 373 hp and 382 hp motor power. S60 previously was 302 hp, it never made anywhere near 380 hp system power.