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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    in 2015/16 the SuC speeds advertised were 0-80% in 40 minutes and 0-100% in 75 minutes. also says 170 miles in 30 minutes. My new batterygate/chargegate speeds were from circa 26% to 100% in 2hrs and 16mins.
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Currently on 40.2.3 and charged for only the second time since the update.First went to 80% then to 90% - on a SuC. I’m voltage capped to 4.09 at 100% SoC. Both images taken when AFTER charging finished and let settle for a few minutes. More or less mirror each other, with scale zoomed right...
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    New 85kWH battery for my 2013 P85+

    As one of those with an MS85D who has had his battery capped with a loss of 30 miles and having both contacted Tesla through their Service Department as well as written to them direct, having received no response, can I ask what route you took to get the HVBP replaced? Are you one of those that...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Is this not a screenshot from the battery info page of the Tesla Service diagnostic access on the MCU? Be interesting to know how you got access.
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Ahh, OK - think answered my question in part.
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I note from the ‘failed HVBP’ thread that so far it looks around six cars have had this message come up with the suggestion they are all on 2019.40.2.3 Also suggests that they have done around 6-7 charges on the new FW before the message appears. I’ve done my first 20% - 90% charge and wonder...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Still currently on 2019.36.2.7 with 2019.40.2.3 locked and loaded and bugging me daily to pull the trigger .. as away from home on a trip, have resisted the urge so far. I note on the 2019.40.2.3 for AP1 cars thread, owners are reporting loss of regen for longer in cold temps, as well as car...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I know this is a batterygate not chargegate topic, but just thought I’d share some data as I was on a trip this week and took some photo’s when on SuC’s. Already mentioned have a capped 4.09V battery pack. Have just had 2019.40.2.3 come up ready to be downloaded on Friday morning, but thought...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I have NEVER seen this before. It is not in my 2016 manual, battery warranty or any other literature I have ever seen. More importantly if you go on their supercharging web page, even now there is still no suggestion that supercharging will SHORTEN the battery life. In fact the Tesla and its...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Isn’t it interesting that from new to just before the ‘capping’ update I went from 76.85 kWh (useable) to 74.31 kWh - a total loss in just over 3 years of about 2.54 kWh (3.3%). ‘Capping’ update took me from 74.31 to 65.7 kWh - so a loss of 8.61 kWh overnight (11.6%). Yet since the update over...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    For info I have a 2016 85D with 68K miles on the clock and got 230 miles at 90% before the software update and now get 203. One caveat however, I now show 210 miles at 90% following more recent updates, however utilising TM Spy I note that Tesla have changed my wh/mi from 290 to 281, which only...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Does anyone know if there has been an update on the NHTSA investigation yet? Wasn’t the deadline for Tesla to respond supposed to have been 28th Nov 19.
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Not as low, but first two pictures are at 8.7% with 9.7kWh remaining. I have an MS85D. Stationary and just about to charge with average at 3.378V, although whilst driving just before under acceleration, lowest brick was around 3.1V Third was after charging back up to 90%, although dropped off...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I appreciate this is thread is predominantly about batterygate more than chargegate, but I do find it fascinating how Tesla marketed their cars, waxing lyrical about charging speeds etc, only to then be able to change the function of the car some years later after you have bought it. I don’t...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Thought I was bad with three (wow .. 15!!). Mind you, you could probably drive up and down the UK on that :) Appreciate update re shutdown. Have driven to around 2% before and thankfully never had to get to 0%. Don’t think I would have the bottle to do that unless I had no other option.:(
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    More asking to see if Tesla had also changed the bottom voltage limit through anyone’s real world experience or diagnostics in addition to capping the top. The top seems to have been relatively obvious for those impacted (perhaps more in time and more slowly), but just didn’t want to be caught...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Thanks. I know the pg1 sticky says Vmin is 3.12V, but didn’t know if this is ‘shutdown’ or sometime before. Is 3.12V bricking and the 4kWh buffer keeps us some way off of that. More to the point as you say - has the bottom end been changed.
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    OK quick question as planning a long trip in two weeks time, where I will probably need to start at 90% SoC and then stop at three!! SuC’s on the way as well as topping up off of a domestic 10 amp outlet whilst away for the week. As in my case my Max voltage has been capped from 4.2V to 4.099V...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    When I look at my account, bearing in mind I’m UK based with a 2016 MS, I note that they (Tesla) have attached the latest warranty (Dated Feb 2019) which includes the M3 (non existent back in 215/16). Although it does state simply 8 years for the S/X (no mileage restriction) with the exception...
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    Using TM-Spy for iOS

    Ouch .. that has got to hurt. Thoughts with you and best wishes for the surgery. Hope all goes OK and wish you a speedy recovery.
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    You battery aficionados out there probably know this and can tell me whether I am going totally off plot, but came across this bit of info written Jim Harrison back in 2018, a guest blogger at Lincoln Technology Communications about the Tesla battery cell. He was writing about the new 2170...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Also below tweet from Elon back in 2018 that states that charging ‘nightly’ below 80% is not worth it and even 90% is fine. Also no issue going to 5% SoC or ‘lower'. So surely Tesla can’t say any reason for capping is due to routinely running below 5% or going to 90%? Assuming of course that...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    The only documentation I have bar the original invoice (which by the way clearly states 85kWh battery - which we know it isn’t), the vehicle 'final invoice' (which has a description of the car .. oh and again the 85kWh battery), the 2016 version of the vehicle 'New Owner’s Manual' - none of...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I haven’t used the app to set charge level for a long time so forgive me if this has been available for a while, but interesting which i didn’t find out until today, but if you set your charge by the app, it only shows the charge to 97% when set at 100% and 88% when set at 90%. Don’t know why...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I’m just taking the 290 wh/mi the figure provided by @wk057 for the 85D in his early diagnostics of the Tesla pack/software - apparently taken from the Tesla firmware. I have a dual motor (85D) and whilst this isn’t a scientific bit of evidence, I used to average around 290-300 watt per mile on...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Slightly off tangent perhaps, but related, here’s a question about Tesla’s ethics on their ‘fixed’ range multiplier. Back in 2016 (new), my MS85D that I was told would have a range of 270 miles (EPA) actually had a ‘typical’ range displayed of 265 miles @ 100% SoC. That is EU ’Typical’, which...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    The below is a quote from @Ingineer on a @wk057 post in relation to the tear down of an 85kWh pack I believe. On the ‘Pics/Info: Inside a battery pack’ post. You are a bit off: In the 85/90 pack there are 16 modules in there each containing 444 cells for a total of 7,104. In each module there...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Blimey - you were able to charge to 101% according to battery graph (100.9% on custom screen) ? Also if I am reading this right and you divide your useable kWh capacity of 68.6 kWh by your rated range shown of 246 miles - that means that your internal fixed algorithm multiplier is 279 watts...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Was Tesla not supposed to the NHTSA by today re the safety concerns unless they requested an extension? Anyone have an update?
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Charging at a Supercharger starting at 34% SoC. This is my 100% SoC battery info. Average cells peaked at a capped 4.099 volts. Only 5mV difference across the pack. Charged to 100% then let settle for a few minutes after charge completion and no load. By the way, took 59 minutes to go from 34%...
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    Using TM-Spy for iOS

    Just to let you know that I have been using TM Spy with the Carista scanner on an iPhone 7 using iOS13. Started at V0.06.58 en and has been working absolutely fine. Has worked on every version until V0.6.62 which I updated to this morning and whilst it shows connected/green and graphing in the...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Thanks PM’d you likewise
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    All, After a little help. Mentioned more in depth in previous postings ... have a March 2016 85D MS. Affected by both batterygate and chargegate. To date my findings have been relatively rudimentary in that I have generally taken a quick pic on my phone of the the start of the charge both in...
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    Using TM-Spy for iOS

    Guys, After some help for the uninitiated. Please forgive if I am in the wrong post and perhaps for those of you who are experienced at this you can point me in the right direction. I have been affected by both batterygate and chargegate and looking for a way of monitoring/interrogating my 85D...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    OK. Misunderstood .. thought meant ‘A’ packs as labeled. Didn’t realise there was another type.
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Agghh - how do you edit - should say ‘A pack' not ‘All pack’ :(
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I have a 85D with an All pack. Have both batterygate and chargegate. Had 30 miles removed through the update and my usual 100kW charge rate at around 20% is now on average 76kW dropping off to around 46kW at 80%.
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I'm no expert and will stand corrected by the vastly more experienced however; Consumption range from the energy consumption varies considerably on your driving style as it's base on either instant range (what you would get in miles/km now based on your watt consumption) or likewise over the...
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    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Just to add to this thread - I have an affected car - and to clarify and balance the long post - up to this point have genuinely 'loved' our Tesla MS. I have a 2016 MS85D with a 85kWh 400VDC - ‘A’ pack. So just over 3 years old and have completed just over 64K miles. The below assessment of...