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Well, we do in fact know what it looks like Same type of car as the X4, a tiny bit more versatile with the 7 seat option even though it's for children only. Probably a LOT more fun to drive. And i'd prefer that coming from an Outlander PHEV to the Model 3 and not wanting to go back to a big...

And some of the minivans (at least in Europe) starts to look more like SUV's. 20" wheels as standard. Main difference is the length and shape of the hood and perhaps the angle of the windshield. And the benefit of going is electric is the possibility to decrease the length of the hood. Model...

AWD, at least as an option. Seats a bit higher up. Better ground clearance. prefer 7 seats as an option, even if the last row is only suitable for kids. That's an SUV imo. The shape is largely irrelevant, shouldn't look like a minivan though. Because then it is in fact a minivan :-)

You would think so. But this designer seemed to be focused on the shape of the car. An SUV needs to have a blocky shape and the Rivian is not as inefficient as it might seem. Just like the Audi e-Tron, eeeh..

So you're saying that the i-Pace is a sedan ? ....

Not saying that there's anything wrong with the Unity but Tesla should focus on "replacing" the global top selling cars. And that's the Ford F-150, Toyota Corolla, Honda Civic, Toyota RAV4, Honda CR-V, Nissan X-Trail and VW Golf. And the piece that's missing there is a cheaper crossover. The...

I agree with you in the short term (<= 3-4 years) but Elon has talked about a cheaper model in some interviews. Something that might be released after the Semi, Roadster, Pickup, Y is on the market. So why not speculate about what that car would be :-)

The market wants a small Model Y type of vehicle rather than a smaller version of the Model 3. Perhaps Kia e-Niro/Audi Q3 sized, ~4.4m/175 inches long. ~1.6m, 63 inches high. That would sell well in all markets, Europe, US, Asia. That should be doable at a $25-$30k starting price. Tesla has...

There's some weird angles being used on the Tesla homepage. I prefer these I think it looks great. Probably also much better in person, just like the Model 3.

True, Elon has said that it takes ~5 years from ”cell working in lab” to mass production at a Tesla applicable scale. True, but we do have a big battery (hydro power) and the opposite of solar when it comes to wind power. We get 2-3x more energy from wind in the winter.

Will an electric van really be more expensive then it's ICE counterpart in 2-3 years ? Semi -> $75/kWh. And shorter routes means smaller battery packs.

Volkswagen has both the Crafter and the smaller Transporter with the same type of system. Transporter: Chassis alone: Isn't this just a smaller version of a Semi ? I liked the pickup they showed in the Semi reveal so how about a small(er) Tesla Semi that can be made into a single-cab and...

Not sure if the fuel + fuel tanks was part of the 7050 lbs or not. It'll be interesting to see what the specifications will be for the european version of the semi. 60 ton vs 36 ton max weight and the fact that the length limitations might require a cabover + truck-trailer combination rather...

Didn't read the paper but we do have "real" numbers to use. I'll translate this post for you: TeslaClubSweden.se • Visa tråd - Hur mycket väger teslas lastbil Estimated weight of the drivetrain of a regular diesel Semi: Engine, gearbox, cooling, Ad-blue ... : 7050 lbs A 1000 kWh battery pack...

Even the previous gen Nissan Leaf is driven more than the average fossil fuel car, funnily enough: Nissan LEAFs Drive 50% More Miles Per Year Than Average ICE Cars

What makes you think that it will "rise to the levels currently seen with ICE cars" ? All data i've seen indicates that it's the opposite, the people with Teslas drives a lot more, including longer/road trips, then the average fossil fuel driver. This includes my (non-statistically validated)...

That's not what i'm saying. The miles/year driven will harmonise better with todays fossil-fuel cars when the price comes down and average Joe will start buying electric cars. And the average for fossil-fuel cars are a lot lower then for Teslas current models. So yes, i would expect that the 5%...

Sure, and there are some Tesla owners that had their charging rates go down because of frequent supercharging. But there are a few things to consider: 1. Most people won't use the supercharger constantly. From what i can tell (google), about 5% of the Tesla-miles driven are "super charging"...

Here’s the new Hyundai Ionic (28 kWh) charging to 80% in 19 minutes on a 100 kW CCS charger:

Preview using model3config.com :

I think you missed the "up to 1 MW" charging capacity for the opbrid system. Also not sure why you think that this would be a problem. The current Tesla 100 kWh batteries can charge at 120 kW, scale it up to 1000 kWh and you'll get 1200 kW. So the batteries can take it, and making a "plug" that...

Forget about clunky cables and plugs and use overhead charging: This system delivers up to 1MW Home This is also well suited for autonomous vehicles

We do know that we will reach that point though: Volkswagen Says Building Electric Car May Cost Manufacturing Jobs - Gas 2 "Internal combustion engines requires 10x the amount of workers compared to electric motors". A 7-speed automatic gearbox probably doesn't help either.

Model 3 has 37.7" headroom in the back vs 35.3" for the Model S. So i wouldn't say that there was no trade off on the Model S. That seems to have been a good trade off for the S, but i'm thinking that it would have been a mistake on the 3. Especially with the autonomous/taxi things that Tesla...

Well, the line between crossover and minivan is blurring too. At least with the minivans that are popular in Europe. But i don't think you'll get Volvo to call the XC 60 anything but a medium sized SUV :-)

Haha, ok. Just out of curiosity, do you like SUV's ? If you do, what about V60 vs XC60 (previous models) ?

I'm suggesting that the Model Y will be something similar to the i-pace which in my opinion is a station wagon. Elon has mentioned that they're aiming for maximum carryover from Model 3, so why not do just that. Similar to f.e: Volvo S60 cross-country: Volvo V60 cross-country:

Well, i would argue that the Model 3 hatchback rendering looks a LOT better than the Focus :) But personal preferences aside, the important thing is what the market would prefer. Especially the US market.

Shameless plug: US/World ready for a Model 3 station wagon (= Model Y) ? Interesting to compare With I personally don't like the typical station wagon look (top one). It makes the car very generic looking. The one below could easily be made into a crossover similar to the i-Pace. Just...

Or something like this:

Not sure how this translates but Tesla actually also invented the permanent magnet motor: Vem uppfann synkronmotorn med permanentmagneter? - Tesla Club Sweden A permanent magnet version of his motor was included in his patent (granted 1888).

From the When will the Model Y be unveiled? thread: May or may not be called Model Y, "We're going to aim for maximum carryover" (from Model 3). Don't think that they can get more carryover then if they do a "station wagon" crossover. And that would explain why they might not call it Model Y.

Actually, the early reviews seems to indicate that the interior is one of the best features of the Model 3, f.e: Driving Tesla’s Model 3 Changes Everything New Tesla Model 3 review

Another one from the comments. I like this myself, i would probably choose this over the carbon fiber.

It's utility in my opinion. You can make a Model 3 length SUV a 7 seater but of course get limited reusability from the Model 3. Something like the VW Allspace that i mentioned in the "ready for a station wagon.. " thread: Or you can go the station-wagon route and reuse most of the Model 3 by...

Model 3 ? If you're thinking about this one..

I get the idea. But perhaps they've come to the conclusion that bringing the 100m wiring harness and other improvements to the Model 3 factory will make it very close to the envisioned "alien dreadnought". Or perhaps that the alien dreadnought would take have taken lot longer to bring to market...

Perhaps this thread should be revived now that the Model Y will be based on the Model 3 after all: Model Y to be based on Model 3 after all If time-to-market, low-costs and production ramp is important then making something along the line of what's suggested here would perhaps not be a bad...

True, but i don't really see the connection between this and a Model 3 crossover since it would be basically the same car as the Model 3 if done as suggested here. Just like "all" of the competitors do, Volvo, Mercedes, Audi, Volkswagen... They have a sedan, station wagon and a "crossover"...

And it's not like the Model S have great headroom in the backseat. I would also guess that the Model 3 will be VERY popular for Taxi purposes, self-driving or not. Sacrificing trunk space for headroom in the backseat seems like a smart move for that purpose.

I agree. But the benefit of doing a I-pace styled crossover based on the Model 3 is that it could have been released at the ~same time as the Model 3. Just like the sedans/station wagons are in europe. Audi A4 sedan/allroad. Volvo S90/V90 and so forth. Elon went for a completely new...

Or it could be something like this: Water-Cooled Batteries Ensure Fast Charging of Electric Ferries Across Øresund - PBES 10 kV/10MW. Yes, 350 kW is a child's toy :-)

The problem might be size rather then cost: The Model 3 is a smaller car and the fact that the driver (and front passenger) is moved forward (thinner dash) probably doesn't help either.

No and no, sorry :-)

Toyota Prius:

I like the Model 3 interior but the bright wood decor in the video is perhaps not what i would choose. It looks a lot better when it's darker: model3config

True, but FW, cupholders, center console.. doors doesn't affect your ability to drive the car. The speedometer needs to be easy to read. And frankly, i don't see the problem with this:

Well, perhaps their tests indicates that Elon is correct regarding the missing central speedometer. "You won't care". And that this isn't just based on 2-3 test drivers and a couple of engineers opinions.

That begs the question, how many workers/car can Tesla remove on the S/X assembly line without making a complete redesign ? New battery cells, motors, chargers doesn't change anything, it's just lowering the costs on the parts. And i actually doubt that the "3 km -> 100m wiring harness"...

Perhaps, although some people might argue that superior performance, AP, infotainment, OTA updates... are more important.