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Thanks everyone.

Is there a plus minus to installing powerwalls outside vs. inside the house? Does it matter how far from your electricity panel the powerwalls are? Can they be installed on a cinderblock wall inside? Can they be a fire hazard?

As much as I'm no fan of overbearing gubment, I'm having a hard time siding with Elon on this. 1. California showered Tesla with tax credits. As a state, they care about the well being of their people and environment, and protecting people in face of COVID, is part of that innate nature of...

Also that’s $200 per visit, not per issue.

Since you are a perfectionist, what other cars in a similar price range pass your test?

This is why I passed on the "If you don't like your car, you can return it" guarantee. Return it how? They don't even answer their phones. And good luck getting a refund. You might eventually get it, but it just wasn't worth the hassle.

Sir Guacamolaf doth rofleth at ye naivety!

Model 3’s upper body has so much flex that going over the usual bumps and speed breakers will cause the glass to crack eventually. There are plenty of videos on YouTube, and glass repair experts that have examined glass breakage in model 3s, and all of them, independently have come to this same...

Tesla build quality is crap. Owning this car outside of warranty is asking for trouble. Sorry you had to go through this. Even with extended warranty they charge you a deductible per visit (not per issue). Sucks but if you want to own a Tesla, this is a reality you have to face.

I'm guessing you live in an area where there aren't a lot of Teslas. Perhaps midwest? Try the coasts, or Norway if you want to experience poor service. Those of us that have been in the Tesla ecosystem for a while, saw the long lines for Model 3, and had one thought - what will this do to the...

@pscarroll .. it's Sir Guacamolaf .. thank you very much! But yes, it's crap like that, that turned me from fanboy to a not-repeat-consumer. Anyway, @pdx_m3s is right, I need to kick this habit of visiting this forum. To be honest, it's bittersweet. I feel so awful deep down inside to see...

pdx_m3s - indeed, I should move on, you are right! It'll help me, not waste time here. And, it'll help you keep increase the fanboy percentage here. But having hung around here for ~ 7 years, old habits die hard.

Hey don't compare a Hyundai to a Model 3. Hyundai has the following, (Santa Fe vs. Model 3 lets say) 1 - 67% high strength steel construction 2 - Great paint quality 3 - Sheet metal that doesn't bend if you look at it funny, and when it does repairs are cheap 4 - The dealer will spend hours with...

No. I’ve owned 2S and 1X and was in the market for a 3. I am no longer in the market for 3 since .. well long list. That said, I did do plenty of research on 3 before buying an alternate car. And decided against getting another Tesla.

Tesla's are pretty darned unreliable, despite fewer moving parts. And when things do go awry, good luck with their service. When you do get through their service, good luck with the heart attack once you see the bill. It's just opinions, but I've owned Teslas since 2012, 3 of them, trust me, I...

@Kognos .. Tesla’s warranty is 4 years and the car is very expensive to own after that (matter of probability of course). So assume an ownership life of 5 years. So the question is, if you had 6k/7k/8k laying around, - would you rather buy Tesla stock or - would you rather buy FSD...

Yup that was the main reason I linked that video up there. With the impending 1k increase, make that $7k that I just saved. That said, some features that were standard part of tesla ap, are now bundled as a part of , which sucks. Still, paying 6k or 7k for FSD .. is so not worth it. The...

I felt the same way. This is unusable in real world scenarios. It’s cool, it’s a software marvel, but unusable.

A lot of cars are omitting spare tires these days. Weight + cost savings. It sucks, but it's the trend.

Found this on youtube uploaded today, this looks pretty close to what will be released as enhanced summon What do you think? Is this usable in real world scenarios in most common parking lots around you? Would you use enhanced summon vs. walk over to your Model 3?

v10 has the following, - Caraoke - Enhanced summon (which you will never use) - Youtube/Netflix I don't know why everyone is so pumped about it. I may be the minority here, but I don't care about in-car games, caraoke, youtube, netflix, mspaint or fart noises. I care more about bringing...

This is exactly what Elon said on autonomy day. And you know what? He is full of chocolate. He has always been. And you fell for it too. Lease returns will fuel used car sales and refurbished battery products, such as powerwalls. Not robotaxis. Seriously get over this concept that next year...

Yes but I do feel that red light detection is an achievable goal. The kind of self driving that many are dreaming of, where the car picks you up and drives you while you sleep is a flat out lie.

Yep - it's a very personal choice, plus the value of money vs. the value of features is different for all of us. Here is my perspective, Basic autopilot - is sweet Now for FSD features that I like --> Turn signal to lane change - I understand is no longer part of basic autopilot and needs...

Geico .. My last Model S (sold) with $2500 deductibles - $389/6 months New quote on S same coverage - $792 New quote on 3 - same coverage - $390 With Tesla, gas savings are largely offset by insurance.

Thank you! For those interested .. Dingus: A person who occasionally pisses you off, but at the end of the day you still love them. They're usually your best friend who makes fun of you from time to time. Dingus can be used as a comment when they irritate you, or in a few cases, it can be...

Line 15 is total tax, and it's on Page 1. Rocket science is easier frankly! Lets simplify, Joe's total tax bill for the year was $2000. Joe made a payment in total of $1000. Joe buys a Tesla. a) Does Joe - get a $875 refund? b) Does Joe - get a $0 refund and has to pay $0 more to IRS? a or...

I see Tesla service sucks in dutch too.

So a basic question, - If at the end of the year, I OWE (i.e. underpaid my taxes by) $1000, do I get a $875 refund, or do I get no refund, and not owe anything?

There seems to be a lot of misinformation on this thread. This link may help clear it up Solved: If I purchase an electric vehicle with the 7500 tax credit, how do I ensure that I will owe enough at the end of the year to see that full credit when I do my taxes?

@Mojito .. I am an ex-tesla owner. Sorry for the confusion.

@dave999z - Tesla isn't doing this advance planning because it costs $$$. The same logic could be applied when Tesla was increasing the number of cars on the road by 10x, while cutting back on service centers and little improvements in superchargers. Or not investing in repair supply chain. Or...

@willow_hiller someone said something on an internet forum by some service tech who given probability won't work at Tesla in 12 months. How can you take that seriously when the CEO himself has tweeted things that they never delivered upon? Sorry, I'm sounding too negative .. gonna go enjoy my...

I’ll believe it when I see it. Their service is about the worst in the industry by far currently.

Speaking of retrofit - have you seen how overloaded their service centers are? It takes them years to retrofit legally mandated free for them airbags, where in the priority list will be a non-legally mandated, expensive computer retrofit?

This $1k price rise is a demand lever. That’s all. It costs tesla nothing to enable software they have already built. Also notice that certain features that historically used to be a part of autopilot, now require FSD. This is their ploy to sell a $35k car, eventually, but keep the real price...

I'm debating getting a new car, and have owned 2xS and 1xX in the past. If I get a Tesla, it'll be a Model 3 because I cannot convince myself to pour a 6 figure sum into a company that has gone down the dumps. Right now I'm doing my research and it is looking less and less likely that I'll get...

Here is a picture outside the service center in Norway .. Norwegians may recognize where this is .. suffice to say, this isn't one of their main service centers. Norway by Sir Guacamolaf posted Jul 28, 2019 at 11:18 PM

Indeed! The coasts are quite bad. So when someone from midwest who owns a Tesla goes on and on about how awesome they are, I can see where they are coming from, but it is of no help to me. Makes you wonder how it's like in Norway. I was there a couple of months ago, and the line of Teslas...

The funny thing is, those of us that are old time tesla owners recognize each other and feel no need to not trust each other. It is so easy to tell a new Tesla owner from a seasoned Tesla owner. Ampd, I 100% agree. Tesla was a completely different company in 2012. The service would bend over...

@dqd88 I am not a troll. I have owned two model s and one x. I have never owned any stock in tesla. I have spent my hard earned money to support this company and their mission. You are welcome to your opinions. But seriously, life is short, make sure you spend as much time as possible getting...

As an ex-tesla owner, and in the market for a new car, I read such nonsense, and feel like dealing with oil changes is the better option :-/ Honestly, owning a Tesla was stressful. It drove great, AP was great, but I was constantly worried about poor service and nightmarish repairs. Need to...

Link? :-)

Thanks @cleveland97 (and others) - I didn't realize Model 3 would fishtail in snowy conditions. I've owned 3 Tesla's in snowy weather (S-RWD, S-Dual and X-Dual), and never ran into the fishtail issue. Good to know!

Well it's for the lifetime of the DU, so when the DU fails, so does your warranty.

Winter questions - 1. I remember with my Model S, the heater kinda sucked. My feet were never warm. How is it with Model 3 with an outside temp. of around 10F? 2. Model S dual motor gave you better range, better handling, better acceleration. Why is this not true for Model 3? Do you have...

Same sentiment here. Even at 6K, I have a hard time justifying it. IMO what you will see is, - Stop sign and red light recognition - Enhanced summon (which will be too slow to be of any real use). .. and that's it. It's not going to ferry your dog or your kids or pick you up from the...

I didn't say that because that is not what happened, at least not here. 17.7% of the fees went to attorneys which .. in a class action lawsuit is, pretty good. Although, I do agree with your general point, in class action lawsuits, Tesla loses, owner's lose, attorneys win. Here is a breakdown of...

A couple of things to consider as a female interested in buying a Tesla. 1. Charging, during day time it's a non-issue. At night, you are stopped at a gas station for 5 minutes, there are many gas stations, they all have cameras, you can pick one that makes you feel better. Superchargers, not...

AP2 delays caused a class action lawsuit, especially considering that on a 4 year lease, it was almost 3 years after they released this feature. The lawyers won. The owners got somewhere between $20-$280 in compensation. And you know how class action lawsuit compensation works right? The lawyers...