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Tesla says they could build a system as good as AP1, but one problem -- they haven't done it (they actually said even more, they said it would be an "Enhanced" version and sold it for almost twice as much)

Not to beat a dead horse, but might as well, the 100D also missed the top score in the roof strength test and of course the headlight test as well.

IIHS testing is more stringent and is done at higher speeds than the NHTSA tests. I think in this class of car, most buyers would be familiar with both.

That information is irrelevant why? As an owner of a pre-November 2016 S, I'd personally find the information highly relevant.

I'd say there are even more areas or concern. The Poor rated headlamps, the low frontal offset and structure ratings, and the low roof strength ratings for the heavier models and the barely good rating for the lightest models. When cars like the Bolt and or a 5 year old C-Max blow away your...

That's a lot of miles, especially if those are loaner miles. We know how people treat loaners. I have an issue with Tesla's process of putting off-lease vehicles into the loaner pool and then later selling them as a CPO. To me, certified pre-owned is different than certified former loaner...

Why all the negativity here? look on the bright side! Our heads may hit the steering wheel in an accident, our headlights are rated Poor, our roofs are much weaker than we were told, but hey, at least we don't need to worry about having a Takata airbag, right?

Its hard to tell from the photo, but how many cars do you think are in there? I hope they aren't paying $12 a day per car. :)

The Model S was tested three times by the IIHS on the small overlap test. This was not a single outlier test. IIHS allowed Tesla to make changes to the design twice and Tesla did make changes after tests one and two. The third time was not the charm however.

I'm not sure there's an argument. The claim and the test results are very clear. Musk claimed that the Model S has an exceptionally strong roof. A roof so incredibly strong it broke the machine that was supposed to break the car. Thanks to the IIHS we now know the claim was off base. The...

This is actually Tesla's third attempt at the IIHS test. The first IIHS test was earlier in 2016. The results were not published per IIHS policy. If a company doesn't like the first result, IIHS lets a company make changes and re-test. Tesla made changes starting with Nov 2016 production...

Tesla made changes, twice. Retesting by IIHS shows those changes didn't work.

And the Bolt earned a Top Safety Pick 2017 Chevrolet Bolt and the Bolt's roof is stronger than the 'so strong it broke the machine' roof in the Model S

2017 Prius Prime is a Top Safety Pick + 2017 BMW 3 is a Top Safety Pick + 2017 Chevy Volt is a Top Safety Pick + 2017 Tesla Model S Acceptable Frontal Offset, Acceptable Roof Strength on 100D, Poor headlights

Well above the threshold? The S100 is below the 4.0 threshold The lightest weight S is just barely into the green category

2010 Mercedes E-Class Peak force 20,961 lbs Strength-to-weight ratio 5.40 2017 Mercedes E-Class Peak force 23,517 lbs Strength-to-weight ratio 6.18 2017 Tesla Model S60 (result does not apply to 100D, where the ratio is below 4.0) Peak force 19,271 lbs Strength-to-weight ratio 4.33 (below...

I cut and pasted the list of 2013 IIHS Top Pick winners that had scores of 4g or better in response to the question below. That person said Musk's claim was accurate at the time and asked for roofs that had scores of 4g or better. The list shows an extensive number of 2013 cars that met or...

Thanks for the update.

Even this statement from Tesla isn't completely accurate since the 100D only gets an Acceptable rating in the IIHS Roof Strength Test. IIHS on Model S Roof Strength "Rating does not apply to Model S P100D. Rating of this model is Acceptable."

A 6.8 strength to weight ratio and 24,462 is an admirable result, especially for a car released in 2012.

Yet that is the stat that Musk himself chose to 'harp on'. it is also that stat that got repeated endlessly in the media and on here. Little did we know until the IIHS results were published that the Model S roof is actually much weaker than many other cars and the 100D roof is only rated...

What is incorrect? The fact that a 2010 Mercedes E-Class has a stronger roof than a Model S and Tesla still claimed in 2013 that the Model S roof is so exceptionally strong that it broke the machine? Regardless, Musk's claim was made in reference to the 4x strength to weight ratio. 2010...

When Tesla made the claim in 2013, it was no where near the strongest roof, that's the point of the thread. For example, the Mercedes C-Class earned a 5.36 in 2008 when this test first started.

A partial list of cars in 2013 that had roof test results that equaled or exceeded the Model S roof strength at the time of Musk claim are located here 2013 IIHS TOP SAFETY PICKs Minicars Fiat 500 Ford Fiesta sedan | hatchback Honda Fit Nissan Versa sedan Toyota Prius c Toyota Yaris hatchback...

The first test of the Super Cruise system I've seen. First hands-free system on the road. Goes into production in Sept. Putting Cadillac's self-driving Super Cruise technology to the test

Since 2014 Volvo has had a system to detect and brake for deer, moose, etc. Volvo is having problems detecting kangaroos though. Volvo works on detection system to dodge kangaroo collisions New Animal-Detection Systems Help Drivers Avoid Accidents | Edmunds

You may also want to ask if the vehicle was ever in Tesla's loaner fleet. A lot of off-lease Tesla's get put into the Service Center loaner pool only to be sold off later as a CPO.

A recent article on SuperCruise https://www.wired.com/story/cadillac-super-cruise-self-driving-gm/

QUOTE="JHWJR, post: 2159406, member: 57482"]Actually, it was the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) that conducted the test, and it broke their machine, as reported in Road and Track. The reality was exactly what was reported. Go troll somewhere else. Tesla Model S Breaks...

According to the IIHS tests, the Bolt can withstand a peak force of 20,042 pounds compared to 19,271 for the Model S. Here are the results. 2017 Chevrolet Bolt 2017 Tesla Model S Whether it's EAP or charging rates or claims of test machine breaking roof strength, reality is often different...

How do you figure? The Model S roof strength was not anything special at the time, yet Musk still suggested it was something exceptional. What actually happened with the S was the machine broke during the NHTSA test, but not because the roof was so strong, the machine just happened to break...

Don't mean to burst your bubble, but the Model S didn't even earn a Top Pick safety rating from the IIHS. The roof strength of a Chevy Bolt is stronger than that of a Model S.

I wish Tesla would be more transparent and tell us the parameters of when they start throttling.

Remember when Musk claimed the roof of the Model S was so strong that it broke the testing machine, suggesting it's roof was unusually strong? Well, it turns out reality is a little different. The recent IIHS test of the Chevy Bolt shows that the Bolt's roof has a strength-to-weight ratio of...

Yes, AAA's chief actuary noticed the anomaly in AAA's collision data and checked other data bases to confirm their analysis. As posted above, according to to the National Highway Loss Data Institute, both the Mode S and Model X are involved in significantly more accidents and cost more to...

Hopefully that's not how it is designed because it completely misses the Volvo braking and then there is a large delay from when the Peugeot starts braking until the Tesla brakes. https://s3.amazonaws.com/media.sergekroes.com/media/EVT_2017_05_15_07_23_06_F.MP4 If you see any updates in the...

Mercedes introduced evasive steering assist a year ago and Volvo has it this year. Ford releases it next year.

Are they still trying to find the problem?

It depends what the suit is about, if the suit is about a "protected activity" firing an employee could be considered a retaliatory move, which according to the article is what the attorney is alleging in this case.

Yet "special treatment at the expense of others" is something entirely different than a standard merit based promotion. And what to make of Tesla's statement that filing a claim about harassment is pursuing "a miscarriage of justice by suing Tesla". That's another very odd statement for Tesla...

Maybe her firing is intended to send a message to other disgruntled workers in Fremont, 'this is what happens if you speak out.' I almost fell off my chair when I read the quote from the Tesla spokesperson “Despite repeatedly receiving special treatment at the expense of others,.."...

Update on the female engineer who alleged harassment at Fremont. Tesla fired her. Tesla fires female engineer who alleged sexual harassment “Despite repeatedly receiving special treatment at the expense of others, Ms Vandermeyden nonetheless chose to pursue a miscarriage of justice by suing...

Is there any explanation yet on why the AP system failed?

And other companies have AEB systems that work at low and high speeds, AEB City and AEB Interurban Volvo S90 And V90 Score Top Pedestrian Safety Ratings From Euro NCAP - NDTV CarAndBike

Sounds high to me for a 75 non D. What % is the sales tax?

I think quality went down with the refresh models and due to the disgruntled workers in Fremont. A lot of the problems on my car should have never made it out of the factory. let alone past the delivery center inspection (if there is even one). It seems there's a "whatever" attitude that's set in.

Let us know if you do take it in. I'm hoping one of the SCs will know how to fix it.

Did you have the Service Center look at it?

That's an odd failure of the ACC system to prevent or greatly minimize a routine crash scenario (not an edge case). The radar should have easily detected the Volvo braking which would have given plenty of response time to avoid rear ending the Peugeot. Even if it didn't detect the Volvo, the...

I've had my Model S for 8 months now and have been very disappointed with Tesla's quality and with Tesla's service. I hope you get your issue resolved, or at least a response after 3 weeks.