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I have nothing to add regarding the early models, but my 2017 is getting a part number that ends in B vs your A. No idea what the difference there is, but just wanted to give you a datapoint to compare to as you look for other people who have had this done.

Tesla’s own 10Q disagrees with you. Energy revenue is flat YoY and is a rounding error compared to car sales. Hell they barely do any leasing and leasing revenue is very close to their energy revenue. Revenue from automotive regulatory credits is double their energy revenue as well. You can...

This is the first post of yours that I’ve seen in a while that has made me think “this guy is crazy”. I think Tesla has a short term future (I’m not going to try to define what I think “short term” actually is because I don’t really know) but long term I think they’re dead in the water. Their...

Current version is 2020.32.2. NoA is absolutely wonderful if I only have to get in a lane and never get out of it. Anything more and it’s... pause for dramatic effect... useless. I don’t mean “it’s ok but I disagree with some of the decisions it makes”, I mean “useless”. I’ve literally never had...

Selling emissions credits is what makes money for Tesla, not autopilot. Remove those credits and the money starts draining again.

Should be a lower price for everyone that pre-paid for FSD as well in that case, seeing as how I had already paid $3k for that several years ago.

You appear to disagree with reality. Waymo operates vehicles that literally have no one driving them, and you still say that they don’t have self driving cars. Do you know what you call all those sensors that they have on their vehicles? Progress! Autonomous driving is an unsolved problem...

Seriously? They payed hundreds of millions of dollars in fines and are spending billions of dollars in non-fine penalties, as well as some people getting arrested over it. If you’re trying to say “well why doesn’t Germany clean their OWN house first?!” the answer is simply “they did”.

A good chunk of the people on here are vying to SEC.

It’s their latest banner feature, and literally in the title of this post. On top of that, parking lots are incredibly difficult areas to drive in due to the crazy number of different things to keep track of. It’s basically everything needed for city driving packed into a tiny area.

It never made sense when people started saying it, and it still doesn’t make sense today. Smart Summon is, and continues to be, a dumpster fire of a feature. It ignores all signage, will happily drive onto the curb or down an embankment, and just gives up right in the middle of the lane forcing...

That’s why /r/realtesla exists. Sure, they can tilt to the other extreme at times, but it’s at least not a constant stream of “DAE Elon is saving the world he’s so dreamy?!?!” Here is the post in that sub: Tesla has updated the MCU warranty to 2 years/25k miles. Very sleazy move : RealTesla

Depends on what you consider to be “usable”. Does it still work? Sure, eventually. Navigating from my office to home, or my home to a random place within about 20 miles takes somewhere on the order of minutes. I guess that’s fine though, seeing as how the screen going black randomly hides some...

I tried again with 2020.24.6.1 and AP3.0. NoAP continues to be useless. My primary complaint has generally been that the decisions the car makes are dumb, and that continues to hold true. It has zero planning capability beyond what the map data tells it. It happily sits in a backed up lane going...

Here's another person who's a well known cyberbully that we should probably not send traffic to. You mean like how the Tesla faithful came out in force to try to bully Dr. Erica Pan and the Alameda County Public Health Department?

Is there a form I can fill out to collect back pay, because I’ve been unintentionally doing this for a couple years now.

I’d just like to thank the people posting in this thread for making these shelter in place orders more enjoyable. I have a question, though. My significant other and her immediate family own and drive an ICE and have shown no desire to repent for their sins. Should I continue investing time...

I can’t understand why people think Tesla is a cult... Oh, never mind, I understand now. @eye.surgeon Add me to the list of people who wholeheartedly supports your decision to distance yourself from this company, regardless of what your reasons may be for doing so. Congrats on your new car!

So it’ll stop for all traffic control devices. Except the ones where it won’t. And you have to be ready to press the accelerator, as well as the brake, at all times. 10 year old me would be so disappointed by what the future looks like. Me from a couple years ago is similarly disappointed by...

No, there is no need for an equality of skepticism because the companies are not equal in their progress. Cruise had 54 different VINs that drove a combined 831,039.9 miles in the 2019 California autonomous disengagement reports. Tesla, however, had 1 VIN that drove 12.2 miles. Several orders...

Yeah, people who dismiss evidence in favor of rooting for their team are the worst, right?! :rolleyes:

@diplomat33 I saw in another thread that you have your upgrade scheduled for Friday. I had an opportunity to talk to my service center not too long ago and they confirmed that my car still isn’t eligible for the upgrade. My new prediction is that I will continue to not be eligible until I grease...

I’m pleasantly surprised that as of my writing this, the OP does not have any disagrees. The first thing I did when I saw the title was scroll down and check that. I echo everything mentioned as well. I’ve yet to find a scenario where NoAP is anything but a detriment, and I make sure to give it...

This should be taken with the standard dose of “things the service center says” skepticism, but my service center says no camera changes, just the computer.

Oh my god, I never in a million years would’ve guessed a post like this would be directed at @diplomat33! What a crazy world we live in. @diplomat33 On this day, we are brothers! Also, there was a conversation earlier in the thread about how “well what if a new bridge gets built?!” To anyone...

People (mostly around discussions about Tesla :rolleyes:) act like perception is the blocker for autonomous driving. Like if you can tell what everything is, you’ve solved the whole problem. The reality is that it’s a truly small part of the problem. You are driving down the road and you...

Nice to see the meme lives on in Tesla. Bonus points to whoever wants to photoshop it to have Tesla’s logo.

Can we vote to have @verygreen put in charge of Elon’s twitter account? Am I even joking about that? I’m not entirely sure!

Time for an update on NoAP with version 2020.40.1! I turned on NoAP for my commute home today. They’re doing construction around the freeway that I take to get home, so it was backed up merging onto the freeway. My car confidently signaled its intent to merge onto the freeway and started moving...

The product managers that I work with constantly say that given some set of data, they can make it tell whatever story they need to tell at the time. They’re not fudging the data, they’re just picking the most favorable way to interpret the data.

I enjoy following @verygreen both on here and on Twitter, because I like getting a sense for just how deep the rabbit hole can go as far as these cars of ours are concerned. Being that I have an S with AP2.0 (and thus MCU1), I absolutely love seeing his stories about performing his various...

Of course I understand how difficult it is. I didn’t force Elon to sell a feature that doesn’t exist for the past 4 years, however. He did that himself. He’s had plenty of time to scale back his promises (which he finally did years later, to his small bit of credit) and offer a solution to those...

You are looking for logic in a company run by a man who has never truly experienced consequences for his actions. In fact, those actions have made, and continue to make, him filthy f*cking rich. Who cares if ~60k people are upset? Until we hold his feet to the fire with more than just angry...

It’s been over three years since AP2.0 was unleashed upon the world, and every day since then people have speculated about the existence of a super secret code branch for autopilot that can actually achieve level 4 (or even 5!) autonomous driving. Elon wants money, and what better way to get...

You’re one step closer to getting your AP3 upgrade before us AP2.0 losers! A post nobody asked for: How I'd handle the FSD problem (features, HW upgrades) for early adopters

Sweet, thanks! I knew they had the same MCU, but wasn't sure if there were any quirks that I might not know of between the two. I guess it's time to start keeping my eyes open for MCU2/IC2 pieces...

@verygreen Now that you’ve done it on your car, do you think the same statements about it being easily done (no harness changes, etc) hold true for an AP2.0 vehicle as well?

Yeah, you’re definitely going to need to give us more info on this! I don’t mean to be rude, but you’re sure you have AP2.0? Also, you’re sure that they’re upgrading you to 3.0? If “yes, absolutely” to both, we need to know what service center is actually doing this. Also, we’d like to see a...

Sweet, feature complete is finally here! That means my car will be able to do all of this then, right? Or are we talking about the "feature complete" where the driver still has to do 95% of the tasks otherwise the car will crash and probably kill someone?

Oh what a world we live in when actually expecting promised and paid-for goods and services to be delivered within years of paying for it is considered "whining". Leases and warranties are expiring and some of us having nothing to show for the money that we spent on this vaporware, but yes, go...

@verygreen Whenever you install this release, can you check what service they use for text to speech? I’m not entirely sure I want to forward all my messages to Tesla.

Smart Summon is garbage and the only thing that limits the amount of damage it can do is how slow it moves. I don’t want that system scaled up and operating at city speeds. Yeah, you have to crawl before you walk, but you don’t do that with unpolished alpha software on public streets. I might as...

There’s little effective difference, though. I didn’t buy a Tesla, or an electric vehicle. What I bought was a self driving vehicle, which happens to be an electric vehicle made by Tesla. Why did I think I was buying a self driving vehicle? Well, that’s what the Tesla website said that I was...

To expect the CEO of a multi-billion dollar company not very publicly lie to us every opportunity he gets about the realistic outcome of the goods and services that he is selling to us is bullshit? You do realize that “the driver is only there for legal purposes” video is still on their website...

“FSD sneak peak” means “the absolute bare minimum that can be delivered which will let us dip our hands into that sweet deferred revenue cookie jar. Also, go f*ck yourself AP2.0 owners”

So, deception? Yeah, that sounds about right for the Tesla community.

Piggy backing on this comment here. I don’t remember what update it first appeared in, but I god damned HATE that the car is afraid of anything it thinks is a large vehicle, which is like 90% of the vehicles on the road. Truck in the lane to the left of me? Better swerve to the right of my...

2019.40.2.1 AP2.0: it’s trying to be useful, but still useless. My speed limit was set to 75, and there was a big truck a decent distance in front of me going slower, so it offered to move me to the faster lane to the left. Finally, it made a seemingly intelligent decision for the first time...

Its funny how everyone who brings up the idea of wanting a moderator on the forum is someone who posts mostly (only?) low quality content. Any moderator would just turn this forum into an echo chamber like the rest of this site already is. We need facts, not sycophants.

Give it a year, I bet Tesla can do some serious Machine Learning™ to come up with a solution! /s