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I couldn’t care less for what he says, it’s the internet after all. Sorry if my posts are not easy to understand, I can easily speak English but writing is more complex. I changed my ideology on this virus many times: I have family in China, so I had the fear everybody in western world has way...

Ill get back to you tomorrow, ill make sure my dad takes a look at this.

Exactly, it was never a concern and we have decades of history to analise Both HCQ and Z-Pack. Z-pack has a known chance of making this arrythmia(i can get the technicals on this if anione is *actually* interested), but the probability is so low that people are not even checked with an ECG when...

Regarding HCQ + Z pack. My dad is a cardiologist as well, although I come from the moron-cave. I saw mentioned here that there is a cardiologist on the forum concerned about HCQ? It’s bullshit. What can cause arrhythmia is the Z Pack. Show me a proper study WITH control group saying...

If you apply the age interval IFR's by age range to the US's population profile, the actual national IFR is 0.18% - Not 0.26% as they claim. Something is off somewhere.

early cancer detection increase in survival rate is only speculation in his book. As well as surveillance and treatment of cardiovascular diseases. They don’t make 70% of yearly deaths aniways ... seriously WTF

As soon as land borders open in Europe I’ll do another Tesla Road trip, and I’ll make sure to pass in North Italy, Piedmonte to taste their amazing hazelnuts, and head down to Parma Reggiano to eat the best food the world has to offer. In other words, to live my life and enjoy it.

It is the equivalent of sIFR, which is the meter CDC is using as well. Unless you think that they went and PCR millions of Italians every year to get the CFR of influenza.

Between all points of data we have, the average IFR should be somewhere between 0,3-0,5%. There will be outliers. There will be cities with 1%. There will be cities with 0,1%. We've had 2 seasons in Italy at 0,6-0,7%: Investigating the impact of influenza on excess mortality in all ages in Italy...

Why does everyone says the same? Deadlier than the *average* influenza, over many years and globally. The world has seen much stronger influenza seasons than 0,1% as I posted several times in this thread, backed up by data

This is just ignorant. You think cancer deaths are shooting up or cardiovascular are shooting up? Or that we are worsening the probabilities for these ( representing 70% of all deaths yearly ) for the ~2 months of lack of care/detection?

I Isn't that from Imperial College? How amazing is that

So you choose base your % from a city, instead of a whole country estimate that comprises all areas of the country. Isn't it normal that there are zones with higher % and lower % and that we should look at the average when comparing to, say, influenza? When we talk about influenza we talk about...

So we stop assuming the 0,1% sIFR from CDC? Maybe their quality varied wildly there

But you have time to assume the IFR for influenza from the same source ( CDC ) ? Lets be consistent. Making CFR calculations from Worldometers is ridiculous to say the least.

You are ignoring the fact that the number of deaths by exogenous factors are absolutely nothing compared to untreated diseases. And some the exogenous factors are increasing ( suicides ) not all of them are decreasing.

Once again im 100% sure you didn't read my previous posts. I've shown that TOTAL DEATHS FROM WEEK 40 TO WEEK 20 increased maximum by 1.5% compared to both 2014/2015 and 2017/2018. This covers the WHOLE FLU SEASON. For 2019/2020 it includes BOTH Influenza and COVID. Deaths are already at baseline...

CDC new best estimate for SYMPTOMATIC Case Fatality Ratio is 0,4% Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) And 35% asymptomatic meaning 0,26% IFR, as I've said many times, the world has seen influenza seasons as deadly as this one, except this time we introduced an exogenous factor called...

It's hopeless. The point is: No, there isn't a significant amount of extra people dying this year over this virus compared to previous seasons.All that matters is total mortality, because THERE IS TOO MUCH NOISE IN COVID DEATH CERTIFICATE NUMBERS. It's not an opinion, i provided data backing...

Cant handle information? Or you think more than 1.5% of people will die than usually would compared to 2017/2018?

Oh and USA we have accurate data till week 16, and we have Total Mortality instead of Excess Mortality like in Euromomo (Total is more accurate, since on excess mortality a late peak like this one gets more deaths ): Week 40 to week 16 ( after peak number of total mortality, per CDC )...

We already have data for week 20 in Euromomo. As predicted, Excess Mortality is back in baseline. Final numbers: 2014/2015 ( week 40 to week 20) Total: 43.63 excess deaths/100.000 population 2019/2020 ( week 40 to week 20 - excess mortality reached baseline , includes influenza(weak season) +...

Hello all, moron-cave master here again. I want to summarise my points and I hope to be treated with respect. I don't want just to be a contrarian, I truly believe locking down the world and instigating fear was a mistake that has killed/will kill many more and reduce the quality of life overall...

Totally agree. Years of life lost. Unfortunately influenza has some bad strains/years where it affects younger people much more significantly than COVID.

Prof Michael Levitt made an analysis on Excess Mortality from Euromomo ( he must also come from the moron cave obviously ): Michael Levitt on Twitter In summary in most of Europe we had an excess of ~153k deaths, roughly 15% above the excess in 17/18. Population in Euromomo is ~359M so this...

The graph I sent you comes from the exact same source, you can fact check if you believe my numbers are wrong.

Serologic tests showing normal IFR for most of the population except the old and frail are not accepted in this forum. They are all fake. We, riders of the apocalypse only accept 1% IFR or higher, no matter what. We also believe the IFR or flu is 0,1% even in bad years . Stay inside your bunkers...

check the whole paper and my previous post explaining my point: you should use ILI deaths from that paper and not Goldstein index, since in covid you are considering most deaths with Covid as deaths from Covid. It’s the fair comparison. If you do use it you are talking about 0,7% IFR not 0,3% as...

Why should we use the Goldstein Index when counting deaths attributable to Influenza instead of ILI, and when we are talking about COVID, every positive case that dies is counted as death attributable to COVID? Is that a fair comparison? If you go with ILI deaths we are talking about 0,7%.

So I should only read that paragraph? Or i should read the whole paper? As I said, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY DEATHS YOU ASSUME ARE DUE TO INFLUENZA the rates are between 0,3-0,7%. The Goldstein index is the most conservative, giving a rate of 0,3-0,4%, but if you read it further you'll understand...

I've posted it before but usually my posts are ignored with a "funny" or "disagree" rating, when I'm simply providing links and data: Italy: Investigating the impact of influenza on excess mortality in all ages in Italy during recent seasons (2013/14–2016/17 seasons) - ScienceDirect - With...

Bottom Right : IFR under 60: 0,052% IFR under 70: 0,122% Country-wide: 0,7% There's a mistake in assuming Influenza is 0,1% overall. influenza is 0,1% globally and throughout a long period of time. Bad outbreaks of influenza are not 0,1% as I showed before, we have years in Italy between...

I came back from my moron cave as you guys like to put it just to fact check your fake data. What I bolded and underlined is just simply fake. Take a look at the Spain (one of the most affected places as you guys love to say around here ) antibody study, adjusted for age and tell me where you...

Great arguments you guys have. I'll come back when we have May data.

So tell me, if it is so much worse than a *BAD INFLUENZA OUTBREAK* ( i never said just another flu - that implies it is similar to the average flu, which it is not ) why the total mortality isn't significantly different?

Thats just not true, and it shows how much you investigated on it. Tutorial: scroll down, check the table. You have a section just for total mortality. And then come back and tell me what you think. I graphed it out for you on my post above.

Wait let me show you the CDC data graphed out, with the total mortality updated on the 13th of May, till week 16, compared to previous years: USA:

Total Mortality of Brasil, compared to previous years till the end of April. Taken directly from the source. Strange they dont show these at FT, if its not fear, it doesn't sell. No there are not more people dying in brasil this year compared to 2018 for example.

So how about you go see what I posted in this thread before? As an example, would you say Sweden had a "significant outbreak of covid 19? " If yes, here are their total deaths till the end of April, compared to past years. Also go check AGAIN what I posted couple pages back and you decided to...

The only way to see the actual burden of the virus and not have the case count problem is checking total mortality. And it's not significant compared to previous bad influenza outbreaks

Makes total sense with the data I posted

you know that’s not the point. The point is that people are moving around in these locations after Lockdown started to ease down.

Oh yea, very much disproven, Brasil has been crazy till April:

As a comparison this is San Diego since you mentioned its like "us"

You sure? Look at 3 examples of countries actually opening up and also Sweden:

So you didn't read? I'll bold the important parts for you: Now lets compare to 2014/2015 bulletin, that season where we lockdown the entire world: "In 15 European countries that report mortality data to the EuroMOMO project, an excess winter mortality rate of 231.3 per 100 000 above the seasonal...

Sweden has also seen a huge increase in total mortality compared to past years ( and no, the data for April is already complete, 15 days have passed ), and I didn't even include December here

Care to comment? Do you have any data that counters what I just said? What we are seeing in the "hardest hit" regions is much higher than 5%. We are also not seeing any increase in deaths after opening lockdowns in Europe. Some people call it Spring, just like in any other pulmonary disease...

Because the mortality is not even comparable to 2014, a bad influenza outbreak.

So the excess mortality in Euromomo zone is back to the base. From their bulletin: "For the EuroMOMO network as a whole, from week 10, 2020 and as of week 19, there were over 152,000 excess deaths estimated in total, including 14000,00 in the age group ≥65 years and 12,000 in the 15-64 years...