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Just performed the 2024.3.6 update on my wife’s Model Y. Immediately got the email after it finished.

https://insideevs.com/news/711696/tesla-modely-performance-epa-range-279miles/

Of course, which makes it even more insane to expect Rivian to be profitable at this moment and expect them to have Tesla’s profit margins. Competition is fierce out there, but the company is making the right moves by introducing a cheaper, higher volume model.

Fact or fiction. It took Tesla 8 years from the time the Model S launched until it made a full year profit? If it is a fact, then how would you expect Rivian to turn a profit already, when the first production R1T rolled off the line in September 2021 — a little over two years ago. What world...

Exactly. People act as if being a from-the-ground-up automaker is easy to do. It took Tesla YEARS to become profitable, and it'll be the same for Rivian. If I recall correctly, Tesla didn't become profitable until Model 3 production started ramping. Tesla's first full-year profit came in 2020...

People said the same thing about Tesla... I just don't understand the mentality of wishing a company to fail, especially one that seemingly puts out a solid product.

Confirmed: https://electrek.co/2024/02/05/rivian-r2-launch-event-officially-scheduled-for-march-7th-in-laguna-heres-what-to-expect/

https://electrek.co/2024/01/24/rivian-r2-reveal-mar-7-laguna-beach-flagship/

https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1882/teslas-2024-model-3-will-include-new-steering-wheel-button-and-additional-airbags-in-the-u-s

I do see “Performance” in the headline (the mods changed my original headline and put that in there) 🤣

Not in this thread which is also about Highland. You guys are going off in tangents and the mods already said that things were going off track.

Ok, now that we’ve weeded through the chest puffing, here’s some ACTUAL news 🤣 https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1877/the-new-model-3-performance-has-been-spotted-with-new-plaid-sport-seats

For reference, 70 mph average drives for our Y (according to some digging through Tessie) are at around 328 Wh/mi. Drives with an average speed of around 63 mph are at about 295-300 Wh/mi. So it’s not too far off. I remembered wrong.

Impressive: 322 miles at 70 mph, 289 wh/mile with climate control on. My Y can’t do that for certain.

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I would HIGHLY suggest you watch it. It was a fascinating look at how fire departments deal with modern EV fires. I was amazed at the massive blanket that they used to cover the entire vehicle to starve the fire of oxygen.

Stop projecting!!! What works for you doesn't work for everyone else. If someone doesn't want to purchase a Tesla and GOD FORBID wants to choose something different, the world will not catch on fire! :D I've owned two Hyundais in the past -- a 2011 Sonata 2.0T SE (their first with the 2.0-liter...

Good thing it was a Jaguar because if it had been a Tesla it would have made national news (since everyone loves hating on Tesla right now) :D

Yes, the Model 3 RWD was cheaper last month. But that's not the case today, with the tax credit now gone for the Model 3 RWD and Long Range. And no, the Ioniq 6 doesn't qualify for the federal credit, which is why Hyundai is putting cash on the hood.

A 10-second Google search provided this: Versus bmah's picture:

1) That sounds about right for our family. Our monthly income is roughly $9,000 take-home/after taxes (my wife and I combined). However, the median family income in the U.S. is FAR lower, and $9,000 of total family income could be two or more months' salary for them. So I agree, $9,000 is...

You are looking at this through Tesla-colored lenses. I’m looking at it through a purely economical sense. If I’m going to be purchasing a new vehicle for the sole purpose of commuting around town, want low running costs, and something that is comfortable and reliable, it makes sense. It’s...

I’m a Tesla guy first and foremost, but https://www.carsdirect.com/deals-articles/2024-hyundai-ioniq-6-rebate-undercuts-model-3-highland-by-9-000

Is that a blanket tarrif? The Buick Envision is built in China and sold here. I seriously doubt that GM would eat a 25% tarrif.

Homelink is overrated :D We have our garage door clickers mounted with double-sided tape on the back of the display (at the bottom near the wireless phone charger) in our 3 and Y. It's out of sight and no one would know that you have it installed there -- well, now you guys know because I just...

I'd be curious to know as well. The interstate speed limits here in NC along I-85 and I-40 are 65 to 70 mph, depending on the location. When I travel to Baltimore from NC along I-95, it's mostly 70 mph. I know some people here like to make it seem like we're complaining when we say that EPA...

https://www.tesla.com/model3 https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview Long Range is up to 341 miles with the 18 inch wheels, but craters to 305 with the 19 inchers. I don’t remember the difference being that vast before

Part of Tesla’s email to customers (with pending orders) concerning the change: The only discrepancy I see here is that the other manufacturers were already using the 0.7 adjustment factor. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-customers-pending-orders-reconfigure-deadline/

Agreed

I'm assuming the 5-cycle test: https://www.gtisoft.com/blog-post/calculating-electric-vehicle-range-with-simulation/ So the best I can gather is that 1) Tesla was using the old 5-cycle test prior to 2024, which was overly optimistic 2) Tesla is now using the 2-cycle test with the 0.7 default...

Here's the full list of changes: 2023 EPA Rating 2024 EPA Rating Model S Long Range 405 mi 405 mi Model S Plaid 396 mi 359 mi Model X Long Range 348 mi 335 mi Model X Plaid 333 mi 326 mi Model Y RWD 260 mi 260 mi Model Y Long Range 330 mi 310 mi Model Y...

The result is still the same. The EPA numbers are revising DOWNWARD to a more realistic driving range that people were actually getting. Not the previously inflated EPA numbers. The real change, which I found on VW Vortex is this: I don't know many people who were getting 330 miles in a Model...

As if we needed any more proof https://electrek.co/2024/01/05/tesla-model-y-range-estimate-reduced-by-6-becoming-more-realistic/

Just chiming in to say still having this issue on r latest update

Phew, there is A LOT going on visually in that bottom pic

1) Prius Prime SE starts at $33,000... 2) Not everyone qualifies for the full $7,500

It depends on the situation if it's a filet mignon or hot dog. If I lived in an apartment with no access to overnight charging, I'd go with a hybrid. Or if fuel pricing was overwhelmingly in favor of a hybrid (i.e. if electricity rates are sky-high). In that case, the Tesla would be a hot dog...

Are you honestly saying that people wouldn't cross-shop a plug-in Prius with a Model 3 RWD priced around the same price -- especially for those apprehensive about going fully electric? Ohhhhhkay :cool: Before we settled on our Model Y, we looked at the ID.4 and the Highlander Hybrid. The...

For what it's worth... 2024 Model 3 Highland https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2023-toyota-prius-prime-vs-tesla-model-3-highland-standard-range-comparison-test-review/

Exactly, I'm not asking for a pity party. Our Model Y and Model 3 are the best vehicles we've ever owned -- period. My Model 3 replaced a 2017 Audi A4 2.0T Prestige with Sport Package. My wife's Model Y replaced a 2017 Subaru Outback Limited. For the price, the Teslas were the best vehicles on...

It’s not a “problem”. Interstates are for traveling long distances at a relatively high rate of speed. It’s normal for people to drive at that rate of speed. I did not buy an EV to drive a slower route than I would with an ICE when the interstate is readily accessible. As I’ve said multiple...

2021 SR+ NCA battery. Depending on the source, it’s between 53 and 55 kWh. My Tessie app says the battery is 53.6 kWh

What does that challenge have to do with what this discussion is about — which is the stated range. We’re not talking about driving 1000km and how many stops and how long you need to charge. It’s just a simple question of Tesla saying, your vehicle should drive this many miles per charge and...

Bingo. That’s what people seem to be missing. The Tesla is scoring about 50 miles below EPA at a constant 70 mph. The competitors are either very close to their EPA rating or beating it. How is that so hard to understand? My Model 3 is rated for 263 miles EPA range. Lifetime average at about...

Or, instead of assuming, one could just read the article? That's all I'm saying. You know the context if you read the Consumer Reports article I linked that the graphic comes from. I posted the graphic and even provided the source link. I just don't understand how there can be any confusion...

;) CR never said they tested a Standard Range. They tested a Long Range. The test was conducted in 2022, and they likely used a 2021 Model Y. Going right to the EPA's website: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=45018&id=43406 They specifically say in the article that they...