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They have massive worldwide demand and don’t have to sell to US buyers. The Model 3 doesn’t have to be profitable at $35,000 like that is a magic number. They still have more letters in the alphabet and can make a Model Z.

Tesla subsidizes its cheap cars by borrowing money. Rather than turn a profit, they drop prices. It is not rational or sustainable. But, otherwise LOL

Elon Musk may be the Albert Einstein of our times, but he should let little things like pricing and marketing be handled by people who still have a foot in the real world.

A lot of people did.

Number 3.

Number 8. I personally agree on being happy in life, but it is hard when I see my neighbor driving his half price Model 3. Even though it is partial premium, it still looks shockingly like a premium.

I lose money every month when I pay hundreds extra on my car bill that I could have saved by waiting a few months. Its not a stock that I own. Its a car loan.

But you probably paid quite a bit more for your car and it took buying FSD and AP for $5,000 on a credit card to reduce your losses.

Number 8.

Number 3.

Number 5.

All cars will have that in five years. That has nothing to do with cutting the price by 50%.

People are complaining about putting their trust in a company that made promises that were not kept.

I am pointing out a few facts. There are basically ten responses that keep getting repeated over and over again. Your response is number 5.

There is also no reason to drop the price until demand exceeds supply. There is tremendous worldwide demand.

Some people cashed in their retirement plans to pay for the car.

The Model 3 brought a lot of new buyers who could barely afford the car. Each price drop feels like a smack to the face.

Case in point. Number 5.

It’s about the mission: The mission is complete. Transportation will now radically change with or without Tesla. It’s only a matter of time. The new mission if Tesla chooses to accept it is to not borrow billions of dollars every time it needs to keep the lights on. My iPad went on sale: Stop...

All the people who paid $55k-$75k for their model 3 are upset that someone can now buy their exact car for $35k. Sure, the battery is 50kw instead of 75kw and the subwoofer is removed, but its almost the same car. Nobody cares about the browser. Tesla is losing money or breaking even selling it...

Tesla is losing money selling an SR for $35k. Their plan is to make it back later with software unlocks. When you pay $2500 for seat warmers they break even. When you pay $3000 for autopilot they finally make some money for their hard work.

Fossil fuel cars can be hugely profitable. I will guess that a $40k-$50k 4Runner costs less than $20k to build. It’s been discussed and evaluated many times by multiple experts. A Model 3 costs $30k-$35k to build. $10k-$15k profit is a starting point on awd and $20k+ profit on performance is...

These are the exact rumors we had in March about free Autopilot for all of us who bought before the $4k price drop. And it never happened even though people in customer service said it would. I don’t see Tesla giving away anything for free. They are forcing everyone to buy Autopilot for $2k is...

My opinion: Tesla wants as many Model 3’s built and on the road as possible. Selling a cheap Model 3 at slim margins gets their cars on the street. They can subsidize the cheap cars by selling more expensive ones. The SR+ is more than adequate for most people and perfect for city ride sharing...

Tesla was charging $4k for the front motor. If the math holds true an sr awd would only go 140 miles and the pack isn’t designed for it anyway so they probably won’t build it.

You got an incredible deal. I paid $54,700 for a black awd in January and then $2k for autopilot when the sale happened. I highly doubt I will get that $2k back. Tesla has turned into every other car dealership now. Each person gets a different deal based on when they walked in the store and who...

Only the LR battery has the cabling and design to power 2 motors. The SR battery does not. The rear motor is far more efficient than the front motor. If 50kw can go 240 miles and 75kw goes 310 miles, then what would a 50kw dual motor do? 140 miles? Tesla makes profit on its higher end Model 3’s...

I disagree. I am investing in Tesla, investing in EV technology, investing in Elon, and I already calculated the depreciation in my car and accounted for that. Protecting my investment means not going bankrupt, not holding a fire sale, and not depreciating my purchase at an accelerated rate.

Really like the way you verbalized the tech movement. I think cars are different, though. Heavy labor and rare earth materials are required to make them. I don’t think they can be equated to a simple machine. The expense and complexity of a battery powered car puts it into a new category where...

Two things: First off, I know a car is a depreciating asset. I am not talking about a normal loss on a car. I am talking about a plummet. I bought a Tesla. Not a Pontiac. Second, making $2000 profit is not viable on a car when it comes with an 8 year warranty. One recall or issue and you can...

I wish that I could see the world the way you do. At the times in my life where I was making lots of money I did. When things are tight and I stretched my budget to buy a Model 3, no I absolutely do not believe in car philanthropy.

No, I don’t make well into six figures. I bought a $60k car because I believed in Tesla and I also believed that they would protect my investment. So unless you make less than $100k, bought a model 3, and the price is now at least $5k less, your opinion is not relevant to my points. I am not...

Because I am driving down the street and someone pulls up to me in the exact same looking car and brags that his car is $500 a month and mine is $1000 a month. I know that Tesla sold his car at a loss and sold mine at a profit. Every month I make my payment, several hundred dollars is going to...

This is epic. I knew they were losing money on the Model 3 at $35k. I took so much heat for my opinions. I am a fanboy, but I am not a blind believer. You thought Tesla learned their lesson with their price drop in March? No, because they did it again. Bottom line is that they thought hundreds...

Ignorance is happiness. Can’t deny that. :cool:

Good luck. I have yet to have them respond to a single email other than an auto response. If they fixed their website, they could lay off 75% of customer service because it seems like most calls are to try to fix problems that shouldn’t be there in the first place. :eek:

Tesla is so confident now about FSD, I am hoping they have made secret advancements then. I have watched some Waymo videos and it just seems like the tech is still far away. Maybe we will have a couple tech leaps here soon. Otherwise, we are at least 5 years out I suppose. Elon has said they are...

I don’t know much about what other manufacturers have developed towards autonomy. It sounds like Mercedes is pretty advanced? So, will Tesla have to include AP at some point or build it into the price? I assume Tesla is ahead of everyone else by a few miles, even Waymo.

LOL, I have the same concerns about store parking lots. I think Tesla will surprise us soon with their beta fsd system that works pretty well and requires our hands on the wheel shaking it every 8 seconds. It will beep every time it gets confused, which will be often. Feature complete. Tesla...

Self parking requires two cars perfectly spaced apart with a spot in between as you slowly drive by. Works every once in a while. It also wants to park in between cars on major roadways in traffic for some reason. The features are gimmicks and party tricks right now. I do find autopilot and...

They leave a lot of caveats there about approval and regulations so they have years to make it happen. The version I paid for promises a lot less than that. You may end up getting more in the end. If they provide software and regulators never approve it, they get out of the deal with you...

Tesla did it again. More price changes. Apparently, inventory cars are still discounted 3% and that will end April 1. Model Y prices are also going up.

The first version will be autopilot except it stops at lights, signs, and crosswalks. Maybe it will auto turn if you hit the blinker. This will require handa constantly on the wheel and it will make as many mistakes as autopilot. That’s my guess. It may run on 2.5.

The mission is great and many believe in it, including me. A car manufacturer has to be smarter than this, though. A company of 50,000 people has to be rational enough to anticipate public reaction. I don’t think there’s any hindsight to something as basic as this. I am not that smart and I can...

We know what Elon said. It doesn’t make it so. Tesla literally changes its mind by the hour. I am trying to find out from the source if FSD runs on 2.5 in its first version. No one with knowledge has answered that question. I bought FSD. I believe in it. I am excited. I took a risk. I still...

I am going to go out on a limb and say that tens of thousands of dollars is not a lot of money to you. Stop and think for a second about a price fluctuation that would upset you. It might be a million dollars. For someone who can barely afford a Model 3, a shift of $4,000-$9,000 in weeks is a...

I asked 3 times and finally got the answer. Thank you for that. I don’t care about narratives, I just want to know if FSD runs on 2.5 initially. There is a lot of cryptic talk on this forum or maybe I am not good at reading between the lines.

Good points, but you are forgetting that it doesn’t matter how you tell people to feel. It matters how they actually feel. Most stores let you know if a sale is coming soon and they have a price matching policy. People who are good negotiators always walk out of a dealership with the best deal...

That would upset a lot of people. If the fsd test cars though are running 2.5 then an upgrade may not be necessary to reach the first level of fsd. Whether Tesla later upgrades everyone and doesn’t create a new package or cost is a risk all of us with fsd are taking.

I think he is saying that fsd early releases will run on 2.5?