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Medicare for all - fixing US healthcare
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Health Care for All/[Some]:
[quote]British doctors have received guidance on which patients to save if health system overwhelmed
From CNN's Simon Cullen in London
Older patients with a low chance of survival could have life-saving ventilators removed so the machines can be given to healthier patients under new ethics guidelines issued by the British Medical Association (BMA).
The guidance has been prepared for doctors who will need to make "grave decisions" about who should receive "scarce lifesaving resources" if the country’s health system is overwhelmed by coronavirus cases.
"As such, some of the most unwell patients may be denied access to treatment such as intensive care or artificial ventilation," the BMA’s ethics guidance note states.
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[quote]British doctors have received guidance on which patients to save if health system overwhelmed
From CNN's Simon Cullen in London
Older patients with a low chance of survival could have life-saving ventilators removed so the machines can be given to healthier patients under new ethics guidelines issued by the British Medical Association (BMA).
The guidance has been prepared for doctors who will need to make "grave decisions" about who should receive "scarce lifesaving resources" if the country’s health system is overwhelmed by coronavirus cases.
"As such, some of the most unwell patients may be denied access to treatment such as intensive care or artificial ventilation," the BMA’s ethics guidance note states.
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Ask yourself this question and let me know your honest answer. Would a government run entity have designed and produced a Tesla? If you like advancements in technology and learning keep a free enterprise system in place. Our system is not perfect and I don’t know the best solution but I don’t want government run production of car companies so why would I want the same for medical care. You may say the hospitals would not be government run, but if there is but one customer the hospital will do whatever the customer says.
My life doesn't depend on a car being made. Or a phone having a cool browser. Going into a debt spiral, losing my home, because of an accident or disease is the reason we should think of healthcare like police or fire or unemployment. Healthcare is not a fad or a whim, don't treat it as such.
If wonder if anyone's minds have been changed during this health disaster. Too bad we gambled and lost ignoring the virus, unlike Taiwan where they buckled down and stopped its advance. Their government did that. People are going to work and play every day there because those who are infected are detected. Oh, you just flew into Taiwan? OK, you will need to take this special taxi home and we will call you and check up daily on your quarantine. Hi, just checking in, here are 14 masks for you if you go out for groceries. Remember not to meet up with anyone, we can see your location from your phone.
If wonder if anyone's minds have been changed during this health disaster. Too bad we gambled and lost ignoring the virus, unlike Taiwan where they buckled down and stopped its advance. Their government did that. People are going to work and play every day there because those who are infected are detected. Oh, you just flew into Taiwan? OK, you will need to take this special taxi home and we will call you and check up daily on your quarantine. Hi, just checking in, here are 14 masks for you if you go out for groceries. Remember not to meet up with anyone, we can see your location from your phone.
Atari2600
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(sorry for entering this thread late)
What you are saying is you want to keep health care unreasonably expensive. Sorry but I'd rather those 22 million people lose their jobs and everyone have the same affordable insurance. When everyone has the same insurance that will fix a rampant issue in this country which I'll refer to as "screw you I got mine". Think about it, those 22 million unemployed will have the same insurance as everyone else!
However, we could save those 22 million people's jobs if you want everyone to be taxed to death. But you stated you did not want the high expense.
My father in law was having issues and the insurance company required him to do 6 months of physical therapy before going forward with testing. He died of leukemia 7 months later. That man was like a father to me and for the rest of my life I will give zero shits about insurance companies. And for those that want to talk about government death panels I'll talk about private insurance company death panels like the personal example I listed above.
Atari2600
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People will still be dying, that's what we do. Taxing me to give you something free will not change that. I suggest a history book. I would support a form of medical service from our government but nothing that takes away my choice of health care providers. (you can keep your doctor was a lie) I should start a poll like yours except ask if "Trump is the best president ever or just in the last 250 years?"
Atari2600
Active Member
Sorry or inserting myself here...
You can keep your doctor is always a lie. Employers shop around and change every year if they want. If you are self employed then sure but the majority of the people shop from the plans their employer offers which is 1 or 2. I have never had a plan that does not take away my choice of health care providers. And seriously, if we have one national health care system I think you will have a choice of health care providers otherwise how would they survive? Unless they are cash only.. and we all have cash so you still would have the choice of all providers. So outlawing private insurance and having national health care would give you the largest choice of providers. Am I logically missing something?
Currently I do not have full choice and never had. This past year I have been nailed twice by insurance due to nurse practitioner, not the doctor helping.. then it have to appeal it then they pay. A huge waste of my time and I grow tired of it.
Not quite sure of your question. Are you asking does Medicare cover COVID? (The answer is yes.) Are you asking if any health care provider that accepts Medicare has to also cover COVID? (That answer is yes.)
Note: Medicare is an insurance program paid for by the Feds. It covers hospitalization (Part A) and docs and labs (Part B). Individuals can also purchase a Supplement which covers copayments, deductibles for docs and for drugs (Part D). Alternatively, an individual can opt out of Original Medicare (Parts A&B) and choose an HMO-like product (Part C).
The ObamaCare is a great help and with a great objective regarding healthcare concerns.
Big Dog thank you for explaining it the simplest way that I definitely understand. Do you have an idea how much does Medicare shoulders for Covid patients? Thanks Big Dog!
I like the idea of universal healthcare, but augmented by the choice to pay more for additional services or levels of care within a free market. This would provide a basic standard of care at a minimum and also support innovation in healthcare and choice for consumers willing to pay more.
I agree, plastic surgery seems like something that's more elective than not. Not sure I want too much money being able to change outcomes. I can see a time when a kidney goes to the highest bidder, so being able to pay for higher levels of care is kinda a slippery slope.
It could be a slippery slope, but there are solutions to problems that don’t have to be all or nothing. The benefits of the free market drive innovation and jobs which are good for all. The fairness of universal care takes into account that we are all humans with healthcare needs that should be met. The slippery slope is avoided by keeping both ideas in mind when making the rules and setting the boundaries between what we need, what we want, and what is best for society on the whole. I believe we can have our cake and eat it, too. The biggest obstacle, in my opinion, is to elect political leaders who think this way and are not swayed by personal gain. Are there any out there? I hope so, but am really wondering these days.
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