What did Tesla expect when they built a factory in China

[Crispus]

https://electrek.co/2020/04/27/tesla-claim-xpeng-stole-autopilot-source-code/

we must re-evaluate business in China.

 

[BluestarE3]

Tesla may have to re-evaluate doing business in Foster City, California as well:
Tesla wins monetary settlement in lawsuit over self-driving car startup Zoox stealing secrets - Electrek

 

[TT97]

Tesla doubles down on claim Chinese EV startup stole its Autopilot source code - Electrek

we must re-evaluate business in China.

Considering this happened in 2018, it's very likely this was also in California. Definitely California is the problem (the fact that all the employees that have access to these codes are in California is likely just a coincidence).

 

[user212_nr]

Tesla doubles down on claim Chinese EV startup stole its Autopilot source code - Electrek

we must re-evaluate business in China.

This autopilot theft has nothing to do with the Shanghai factory, but is instead just China's normal way of business. It has been decades like this. Our current trade secretary has done a good job of exposing this.

I agree with you that it is a concern for them doing business in China, but I think Elon really wants to jump-start the EV business worldwide and not try to hoard their technology and become a monopoly. Nevertheless the latter seems to be occurring.

Navarro makes a good point that people who are a victim of one practice often do not realize the extent of China's dishonest practices. This particular practice falls in the below matrix #12 "Cyber espionage and theft" with check marks under: "expand china's share of global markets", "dominate traditional manufacturing", "acquire key technologies and IP... from the U.S.", "Capture high-tech industry that will drive further growth".

 

[Brando]

Tesla doubles down on claim Chinese EV startup stole its Autopilot source code - Electrek

we must re-evaluate business in China.

The article points out, it was a FORMER TESLA AUTOPILOT PROGRAMMER that stole the code. It has nothing to do with doing business in China.

 

[TT97]

The article points out, it was a FORMER TESLA AUTOPILOT PROGRAMMER that stole the code. It has nothing to do with doing business in China.

So you're saying Tesla needs to revaluate doing business with programmers?!?!

 

[Crispus]

I’m just saying that China has been ruthless is technological espionage. The world must reevaluate future dealings with them.

 

[Brando]

I’m just saying that China has been ruthless is technological espionage. The world must reevaluate future dealings with them.

You'll be shocked to learn TESLA provides patents for FREE.
Open Source just like Linux.
All Our Patent Are Belong To You
Elon believes you gain advantage by constant improvement. Hence the OTA [Over The Air] updates.

AutoPilot (maybe not open source - anyone know?)

Perhaps some trade secrets? Such as casting for rear of Model Y? Exact process for making cells?

Making cars are a complex problem.

ruthless? How about US press writing about Tesla?

USA Q1 2020 top 15
US Market Situation and Outlook (Rob Stark's American Megathread)



yes, a different kind of company

 

[Brando]

... Patents Belong To You Elon Musk, CEO June 12, 2014

Yesterday, there was a wall of Tesla patents in the lobby of our Palo Alto headquarters. That is no longer the case. They have been removed, in the spirit of the open source movement, for the advancement of electric vehicle technology.

Tesla Motors was created to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport. If we clear a path to the creation of compelling electric vehicles, but then lay intellectual property landmines behind us to inhibit others, we are acting in a manner contrary to that goal. Tesla will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use our technology.

When I started out with my first company, Zip2, I thought patents were a good thing and worked hard to obtain them. And maybe they were good long ago, but too often these days they serve merely to stifle progress, entrench the positions of giant corporations and enrich those in the legal profession, rather than the actual inventors. After Zip2, when I realized that receiving a patent really just meant that you bought a lottery ticket to a lawsuit, I avoided them whenever possible.

At Tesla, however, we felt compelled to create patents out of concern that the big car companies would copy our technology and then use their massive manufacturing, sales and marketing power to overwhelm Tesla. We couldn’t have been more wrong. The unfortunate reality is the opposite: electric car programs (or programs for any vehicle that doesn’t burn hydrocarbons) at the major manufacturers are small to non-existent, constituting an average of far less than 1% of their total vehicle sales.

At best, the large automakers are producing electric cars with limited range in limited volume. Some produce no zero emission cars at all.

Given that annual new vehicle production is approaching 100 million per year and the global fleet is approximately 2 billion cars, it is impossible for Tesla to build electric cars fast enough to address the carbon crisis. By the same token, it means the market is enormous. Our true competition is not the small trickle of non-Tesla electric cars being produced, but rather the enormous flood of gasoline cars pouring out of the world’s factories every day.

We believe that Tesla, other companies making electric cars, and the world would all benefit from a common, rapidly-evolving technology platform.

Technology leadership is not defined by patents, which history has repeatedly shown to be small protection indeed against a determined competitor, but rather by the ability of a company to attract and motivate the world’s most talented engineers. We believe that applying the open source philosophy to our patents will strengthen rather than diminish Tesla’s position in this regard.

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