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We always stop at the Wallys for a charge when traveling past Pontiac. It's such a nice stop, you don't mind the slower charging speeds.

We have a Leaf, and have seen many Model Y drivers using the Chademo adapter. If you are lucky enough to be near a free Chademo it may be slow, but it's low cost miles.

So you drove 200 miles and ended with ~80 rated miles? That is very good for highway speeds.

Does anyone know why the 85s have done so well compared to the M3 batteries? (The 90s didn't do nearly as well, and I don't know about the 100s)

It was 220 for SR and 240 for SR+

The growing incidences is starting to make me think there is some possible malicious code in AP. The software is too good to make this many mistakes randomly.

Welcome to your new and now normal baseline range. 10% loss after a couple years is quite the norm.

Most evs lose 5% in the first year. The rated range isn't influenced much by driving style.

Thankfully Chademo options are still expanding in NA, just not as fast as ccs now.

I am hoping if enough Tesla drivers use the EA Chademo charger and complain to EA, we can convince them to add a second connector. The highway plazas are too convenient not to use, even at 50kW.

Anyone use the EV01+?

I think Bjorn's 2 M3 LR data points of 8% after 2 years is spot on. Miles/cycles matter a little less than age.

47F isn't that cold.

Guessing as you have an 18, the car has a buffer which masked your degradation in the first couple years, and now you are seeing the natural range reduction. Its more time and cycle than mileage.

Your curve should flatten. Some other poster that uses Teslafi posted a couple weeks ago that average loss in first 15k miles is like 7.8%. It should go slowly afterward. Most other evs are similar.

I try to stay between 35 and 65% , but don't stress about it too much.

I wouldn't rely on rated miles as a measure of degradation as the constant used for rated miles changes with software releases. Generally the constant is lowered over time, which can boost perceived miles. It would be better to measure power you can pull from the pack.

Sorry, thst was for SR+ models, per user mrgoogle. Not completely surprised the SR+ does worse. I have heard rumors that the SR+ battery has wider sourcing so quality might be more...challenged. Getting pissed with degredation

Fully agree. If it was just SC, then I think it would be difficult to argue, but all dc removal should be illegal.

7.8% is the average loss for 15k miles per the teslafi fleet as another user posted.

Correct may 1-2% per year after that depending on charging/driving habits.

7.8% reduction is average for 15k miles for M3, so you are close.

I dont think so. Another poster showed that Teslafi shows average degradation is 7.8% after first 15k miles.

I dont think so. Another poster showed that Teslafi shows average degradation is 7.8% after first 15k miles.

Looking forward to the pilots of mirroring with Android auto onto the console.

As long as you don't update the software onboard, how can Tesla prevent you from using the chademo connector and 3rd party DC charging? Be sure you have removed/damaged the cell card so its not communicating.

Evgo has started equipping dc chargers with a Tesla port.

Chademo growing still almost as fast as CCS. NREL: Strong Growth Of U.S. Charging Station Installs Continued In Q1 2020

Chademos are still being installed daily. Still most installs have both ccs and chademo. In 3-4 years it might change, but for now you are fine with the adapter. So many new 200 Amp chademos going in now too.

If you need to take more than a 3 mile detour, the extra travel time will Trump charging differences.

I dont see Tesla moving to Ccs in the US anytime soon, advantage is still to the Supercharger network. Chademo footprint is still expanding, so its enough of a bridge for any small coverage gaps.

A Chademo adapter is a simplier creature than ccs. It was originally stop gap as the supercharger network rolled out, but there are still areas of North America where having the adapter is still very useful. As Chademo has expanded, it oddly has almost increased in usefulness. Too bad its...

Chargepoint and Greenlos have stepped up the pace of their installations. They usually have at least 2 Chademos per stop.

You are a good (ev) Samaritan.

It will be interesting to see if the Chademos start getting more used with the price increases. 4 of the 10 Chademos near my home (North side of Chicago area) are still free. The evgos are .20/minute. EA is now whatever they are charging per kWh.

Also 3 of the 10 Chademos within 6 miles of my house are still free.

Does Tesla actively/dynamically add/reduce buffer like the newer Leaf?

I actually have both programs as we have 2 Leaf Pluses at the house. But nctc gives free power to all evs at the house. That said, its a lot of work to save the $2-3 in power vs. Charging at home. Its been nice on some trips though.

Many EA sites while listed at 50, can charge in excess of 200 amps. I still get free juice from evgo, so don't go often to EA. Lincolnwood Town Center 3333 W Touhy Ave. Lincolnwood, Illinois 60712 Charger #200014-01 Connector #2 Total paid: $6.07 Session ID: 35142 Charging pricing...

Ccs to chademo is difficult.. Alibaba has chademo to ccs available for a few K. Honestly the chademo adapter is becoming more valuable as the number of Chademos stations has increased. For Leaf Plus owners many more 200 amp Chademo stations are appearing as well, making charging at 75...

I can't speak to Tesla power draw, but I have measured the power draw difference in 2 Leafs, one with their Propilot and one base model without. The difference was few hundred watts per hour, or about 1-2 miles range per hour driven. Teslas are doing alot of data sharing even when not in...

The ground is shifting very rapidly now. In the past year, Iowa has installed more than a dozen multi station centers. Chargepoint just announced about 20 new double and triple station set ups across Michigan. 20 new stations are being built in Nebraska. Here in Illinois, we have plenty...

Thats a great Idea. Chargepoint, Evgo, Greenlots, etc are all going in with multiple Chademos, and more with available adapters. EA is missing the boat, and their chargers break all of the time.

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Tesla does use the alternative EPA test procedure (which does not use the standard 30% off of udds tests, and allows them to provide a different smaller value). It would be good to know what their standard EPA numbers would have been.

I am guessing the SR+ goes away (too many battery issues), and the LR becomes now standard, and a new longer range version with 400-450 miles becomes the up sell. This will allow Tesla to up unit price to help please the market.

Do those on the board feel like there is more variance in the packs than when the M3 first was released?

To add, Outlanders also use Chademo, as well as the new to market Lexus electric.

Wow, it looks like Tesla picked up a few of the old Nissan Leaf techs. Your battery could be dripping Li-ion goo, and you would get a 5 star rating.

Ouch, if you were a Leaf, you would be soon down bar. Hope the battery stabilizes going forward.