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It's not good but against the backdrop of no sales tax it's a little less of a sting. I think that could have been 100 bucks or so per year.

The ESA doesn’t extend the HV battery warranty correct?

Some of the reasons are not welled reasoned. 3 in car app subscriptions. That's the same as ICE cars and it pisses me off in both cases. BMW was considering, and may have done, subscription heated seats. 5 Limited model variety isn't a reason to never buy, it may be a reason not to buy now...

I will get another Taycan after the refresh in 2025. I think there is no more 4S just GTS designation. Absolutely love the car.

Taycan real world range is only a few miles less than model s.

I'm using real numbers. According to Edmund's it was 203, but I'm pretty sure when I got the car it said 199, but I'll look for the sticker. The Taycan is tied for 21 in the Edmund's article at 323 miles of tested range...

That’s how it was in 21 and 22. They may have since changed the advertised range but it seems Porsche, MBZ and BMW all overachieve on range.

337 in mixed driving. My Model S does a bit better. Out of spec got 280 at 70 MPH on older software.

I do not. My current MS is not FSD, my previous one was. I sold my lightning 10 months ago to my friend and haven’t driven it.

I had a lightning lariat and I liked it a lot. I agree suspensions was a bit floaty but overall it was great and I did a long distance road trip in and it was great on the highway. I’d say blue cruise was ok, it confused now and again, but performed well overall. I sold when my Rivian arrived...

Or just say no thanks and sign the papers.

I‘ll give appropriate citation.

My Model S rated 405 gets about the same range as my Porsche Taycan 4S rated at 199. It’s a bit under 340. The Porsche has the perf plus battery which I believe is 93.4 kWh. i just leased a EQS 580 sedan rated for 340 and can up a bit short in a test I saw with winter tires on it. I’m going to...

They appear to be great cars. I just leased a 2024 EQS 580 because it was my wife’s choice. The AMG line trim makes a bit nicer looking. I don’t love the exterior styling but the interior is pure S class. My wife absolutely loves it. Incredibly quiet cabin, the efficiency has been good and...

very nice, I drove the i7 but ended up getting an EQS 580. I like them both but EQS leased a tad cheaper and then Amex had a huge rebate that put it over. iX looked really nice in showroom.

Has anyone checked out recent pricing incentives on 23 Lucis stock? Leases on grand torung models are under 1200 bucks per month not including 2k conquest cash, don't know brands but certainly assume tesla is part of it. The pricing for purchases is more than 20k off, although I'm becoming...

M My 2020 S switch gear (stalks and windows) were Mercedes Benz. My car just prior to that was a 2017 S550 and I laughed when I got in the Model S and say the same trim pieces.

EQE 53 AMG 617 HP similar to ICE versions.

@cptnslo wrt charging a large chunk of the SC network will be available. I’ve done about a half dozen multi-thousand mile road trips in recent years. I’ve had very few issues doing in my Taycan, F150 Lightning and Rivian. Tesla locations are more convenient and have better amneties but it...

I stoped in and spoken to both a Mercedes Benz and BMW dealers. The iX, EQS have enormous incentives. The lease prices, I’m definitely moving back to leasing due to price volatility and technological change rate, are on par with a model X. The EQS and iX m60 did quite well in Kyle O’Connors 70...

Yeah recent change

I’m just going base but in the new red if I order. I don’t see how you a beat the MX $72,400.

I don't think anyone said that.

I'm looking at an iX, model x and eqs right now. The BMW m60 smoked the 70 MPH range test on out of spec

One third is a significant amount.

They need to allow access to 7500 in order to receive their portion of the 7.5 billion dollar infrastructure investment.

I read that tesla is applying the credit at POS if you qualify. Is that true? Website seems to have same language but if it's true my youngest child needs a Model X. Kind of.

Tesla has had more price volatility in MSRP than other manufacturers. its a significant problem when it comes to Teslas. If you chose to pay over MSRP to get a car during COVID that’s a personal decision but the manufacturer is generating the volatility based on wild fluctuations in MSRP...

This car does not have FSD subscription. I am not sure if/where that needs to be edited but there is some confusion here.

If I’m not mistaken Hertz has claimed maintenance costs are higher—not my comment their‘s. I think the bigger issue is the price reductions reduces, greatly, the value of existing cars and for rental fleets they need to mark down values of assets which negatively impacts earnings. My own 2023...

I took the blah blah as dismissive. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

perhaps you should improve comprehension. Tesla is opening the network to all and it’s smart business. Tesla energy will become a huge profit center. Not only for Tesla branded SCs but theyre selling the equipment to other network providers.

Where is 2022 and 2023? 2024 projections? I didn’t say market collapse, I said the rate of growth is slowing. https://www.wsj.com/client/auth?state=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Fbusiness%2Fautos%2Felectric-vehicle-demand-charts-7d3089c7...

AP isn’t that great. I’ve tried super cruise, blue cruise, Tesla FSD and for AP there is no exceptional difference. Tesla super charger network reigns supreme but I’ve already been notified by GM that they’re preparing to ship my NACS adaptor. Tesla makes the best EVs still but not...

@gsmith123 non-EV only makers have scaled back significantly. They have reduced investments in new factories and co-investments with battery manufacturers. The market does not grow exponentially but incrementally And the rate of growth shrunk significantly. Loss of incentives and interest...

Rate of growth is slowing. This the market has taken a significant hit. Not watching that video by the way. However this time last year a base model s was 96 grand and now it’s 74. The model X is down about 30 grand. Other manufacturers are offering monster incentives. A Mercedes Eqs 450...

This thread is for the general discussion of the marketplace listing 2023 Model S. Please add to the discussion here.

at the current 74k pricing the model s appears to be quite a value compared to the competition. I do however understand your point.

I got an offer ot order a foundation series but I think I just want a regular one. I'm going to place the order for the beast version to see if I like it better than my hummber. 120 grand though. ETA I just noticed it includes FSD so that's sometihng I guess. I also had to pay a grand...

Could've secured alternate vehicle before canceling original order.

Yes I know. I was responding to someone questioning why I wanted a NACS adapter.

Yes that was me being a bit sarcastic. Someone was questioning why I wanted a NACS adapter.

Is it new news that Tesla is opening the network to most other manufacturers? Moreover after 24 most of these OEMs are installing NACS in the vehicles rather than CCS1.

I had a lightning and took it on two separate 2300 mile road trips. I had no issues even with the slow charging curve which may have improved. It was super comfortable and drove wonderfully. I sold it to a friend when my Rivian and Hummer order arrived at the same time. The Rivian is great...

I’m going to get the beast version And use it as my DD in NJ then move my Hummer to FL.

What led you to that decision?

Why do you feel that. Not trolling serious question. Their labor practices make me squeamish but so does the lack of privacy on other platforms. Genuinely interested in your thoughts.