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It felt like it took days for me to get 2023.44.30.2, but I got 2023.44.5.1 this morning already. My timeline: 2023.27.12 (11.4.8.1) - December 6 2023.44.30.2 (11.4.9) - December 20 2023.44.5.1 (11.4.9) - December 22

The level descriptions do not depend on our preferences. What you described is “level 2 without driver attention monitoring” which will never happen after all the crashes and deaths in the early versions of AutoPilot and the now implicit manufacturer liability that the lack of driver...

Pet peeve of mine—saying “levels 3-4 without taking liability” is like selling a root beer float without the ice cream. Without taking liability, it’s only level 2, and without the ice cream, it’s only root beer. And no, there’s no such thing as “as good as level 3 but no liability”...

In the last couple of months, all of the hardcore phantom braking I’ve experienced happened when there was an irregularly shaped 18-wheeler far in the distance. My guess is that FSD thought the 18-wheeler was much closer since it doesn’t have a good grasp on the shape. deets: Texas, 2022...

Thank you! I was starting to wonder if I’ve been doing a bunch of illegal things, but this list is perfectly consistent with my driving. Yeehaw, non-Texans!

Maybe... Yes, totally agree. I value being predictable over courtesy like you described. I value safety above all. If I'm the one turning, the person behind me can see my blinker, but the line of cars behind them can't. People who are checked out while driving these long boring county roads...

Anyone else noticed degraded USS functionality? I'm on 2022.45.13 (11.3.4), and I noticed the USS lines and behavior are significantly different now. I have a tiny garage and need to get within 10 inches to the wall to fit. This was easy on v10, but now the USS lines are drawn at a different...

Hmmm… getting onto the shoulder to make a right turn on the 65 mph county roads in my area is basic courtesy.

I did a manual check yesterday morning, and checking now just gives me yesterday morning’s timestamp. I know others have reported the same thing. I hope it still gets pushed to me at some point. I’m going out of town in a week, and having v11 for it would be a nice opportunity to compare the...

I'm not seeing it either. TFW no v11 and no catgirl gf 😩

I didn’t know FSDb was written in Rust…

Where I live, roads are updated frequently, and it's very obvious when FSD has the correct map data for an intersection and when it doesn't. So I'm thinking it's using map data more than people realize. For example, they recently put up a new stop sign at a nearby intersection, and it reads it...

Whenever I get that message (which I did today), I turn off Sentry mode, and that makes Smart Summon work. I think this has been an issue for a while now.

TIL smart summon can reverse. I had to use it today, but I thought it’d fail since I didn’t back into the parking space. But it backed out just fine and made it over to me. I still wish it worked from five times the distance away, though.

I’ve noticed that roundabout experience depends heavily on whether or not an intersection is properly mapped as a roundabout. Map data seems to supplement vision, and vision-only isn’t as good.

I think the location matters a whole lot. The NNs are trained more on certain characteristics than others. In a small town in Texas, it works pretty well. Traffic is really chill, so the acceleration is fine, maybe a bit too fast. It almost never rains here, so weather isn’t a problem. There’s...

I wished there was more room for nuance on the internet. FSD is both not what was promised several times in the past, and it’s currently useful to me. I find it very easy to turn my brain on and off on the task of driving, so even if I’m having to intervene every 5 minutes, I still find...

Specifically a RoboTaxi where Tesla is liable for accidents it causes.

Yeah, that would be good. I keep speed-based lane changes off because the logic is dumb in NoA right now. Although the 11.3 release note about the lane change logic considering more things (like if we’re about to exit the highway) makes me a bit hopeful. Something I’d love is if it...

Yes!! That’s exactly what I was hoping for. To start with, at least. Wouldn’t mind another level or two… like “Los Angeles” mode and “Island Life” or something. I also wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a new mode for when hands-off or L3 becomes available. As in, maybe they would only...

My highest priority is getting some ASS. If it could work from much further away (think length of a Walmart parking lot), that would be amazing. If it was L3 (as in so good, Tesla takes liability), I’d buy another Tesla. As a mom of a 7 year old, it would be a godsend.

I swear, the map data does change on a daily basis somehow, though. I’m not sure why. An interstate highway on-ramp near me was moved by 0.5 miles last year, and I stg every other drive it knows where the ramp is and doesn’t the rest of the time. It’s so freaking weird. I always have to look...

I could see this being a part of the auto-labeling. It could be looking for keywords like "phantom braking" or "wrong lane choice," and that could be fed into the auto-labeler or another mechanism to try to automatically figure out what the NNs should have done. The car itself could throw out...

Wow! Lots of amazing updates mentioned. I’m HYPED.

It already hasn’t delivered as promised, but for some reason, a lot of us keep thinking “this year will be different” or “the Beta is already amazing as it is.” I finally finished watching the April 2019 Tesla Autonomy Day, and wow were there some promises: Every vehicle made since October...

Sent back to Tesla for the next round of NN training. I’m not sure what the second on-board processor is doing when running the Beta these days. They’ve mentioned in the past that the Beta is using a bit of the second processor for main processing, so I don’t think it’s a full validation on...

Quite the opposite, actually. FSD benefits from trying to predict what it thinks it should do and having a trusted source of data let it know when it’s wrong. That kind of feedback is how the NNs learn. Right now, FSD is always running, even when it’s not active, to see if the human driver...

I was thinking about this some more, and yeah, you’re right. Reverse to drive without stopping always works for me (like when I leave my house, reversing out of my garage and then going on the road), but drive to reverse sometimes requires a complete stop (like when I back into a parking...

Oh, true. Might be bad map data. Might be missing map data. This would be the only 55 mph default speed I’ve seen, though, and it’s on a two-lane road. Other default speeds I’ve seen for sure are 25 mph and 30 mph.

Elon hates HD maps so much, they use Low Def maps with the lowest quality data possible. 😂

The segment of road it screws up on is between when I turn onto the road and it passing the first speed limit sign. Once it sees the sign, it goes with that (consistent with what you said). Why it thinks the speed limit is 55mph prior to the sign is the mystery, though. The road I’m leaving...

But it's regulators who put the stop signs there. If only regulators would get off our backs about stop signs and left turn only lanes, FSD would be feature complete! /s

Controlling the windows through the mobile app Controlling the windows prior to pressing the brake pedal Closing the trunk with a button Setting a speed above the posted limit Turning on the ac/heater below 20% SOC (a recent feature) Preconditioning the vehicle while it’s charging (a potential...

Really depends on the area. On my drives, there are some roads where the very gradual deceleration for a lower speed limit perfectly matches what the rest of traffic is doing. There are other roads where that same deceleration would make some speed trap cop’s day, so I disengage to slow down...

Nah, that isn’t true. Watch the Tesla Autonomy Day from April 2019 at 3:31:44. And the whole “my L5 isn’t your L5” is just some alternative facts business right there. Stop moving the goal posts.

Yup. I think this is true for drivers and traffic in general. As a driver, I’ve taught myself to be cool with going the speed limit, but the traffic around me doesn’t always like it (eg during rush hour on a two lane road that doesn’t let people easily pass me).

Ummm. No, I’m not. I’m assuming the NHTSA is concerned about FSD going 55 MPH in a 30 MPH completely on its own unless the driver intervenes. I’m also assuming the reason FSD does that is bad map data, but it’s irrelevant to NHTSA’s concern. The fact is it happens, in this scenario and others...

They might have a point... There's a road near where I live with a 30 MPH speed limit. Whenever FSD turns onto that road, it speeds up to 55 MPH until it gets to the 30 MPH speed limit sign. I'm guessing it's bad map data. I have no idea how they could fix that in FSD, though. As a human...

They’re not free videos. You either pay for YouTube (which I do), or you watch ads to pay for it. And on the other side, the content creators get paid directly from YouTube in addition to potentially doing sponsorships and getting funding in other ways (eg Patreon). If you’re using an ad...

Elon said multiple times that HW3 would give us L5. What’s better than L5? Perhaps less expensive for the customer? Maybe safer for passengers (and thus cheaper for Tesla due to the L5 liability)? Could be that it would work in more conditions? Wait, no, then it wouldn’t be L5 which is...

Elon said at the Tesla Autonomy Day on April 2019 that HW3 would have all of the redundancies required for RoboTaxi. So I wouldn't get your hopes up.

On April 2019, Elon stated very clearly that every Tesla manufactured since October 2016 had the hardware necessary for RoboTaxi, and he also stated that we would get “level five, no geo-fence” by the end of 2019. So we clearly paid for the functionality and the means.

I’ve heard so many people say that in different threads, so I assumed it was true. I recently watched that Tesla Autonomy Day video for fun and was floored to see that he straight up promised L5 by end of 2019. Lots of wild promises were made, not goals or objectives. I can see why the Woz...

In the April 2019 Tesla Autonomy Day at 3:31:44: (emphasis mine) I have no idea why the Woz would be confused by what Elon said the car would do... /s

Really? I think it’s amazing if I’m the only car on the road or if traffic’s light, but … The speed based lane changes absolutely suck with even just moderate traffic. It sucks in stop and go traffic. It sucks when merging with cars entering the highway. It sucks at reacting...

I’m watching the April 2019 Tesla Autonomy Day, and at 3:01:04, Elon says: So we should be good! RoboTaxi would require at least L4 I imagine, so we already have the hardware for L4! (mostly sarcastic) This is right after the previous quote. I listened to this part 10+ times trying to figure...

I wonder if v11 is taking longer to come out than expected because a bunch of employees are test driving hw4 instead of v11 on hw3.

Do you even Beta, bro? (sorry, I had to haha) I use the Beta for all of my driving, and the approximately half-second latency is painfully obvious in numerous scenarios. It may not be across the board and may only affect certain NNs, but it’s definitely there. It’s most obvious when there...

That’s not what I was referring to. I’ve heard people complain about the need to apply torque to the steering wheel. To me, it’s no big deal as I just leave my hand resting on the steering wheel. I’ve heard people complain about the cabin camera behavior (not including the obvious...

I’ve wondered if the Beta is easier to use for people with ADHD. For me, it requires a fraction of the attention necessary for manual driving. Supervising and intervening when needed is way easier than having to do everything myself. I just keep my foot hovered over the accelerator and my...