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    Resale value, and replacement ICE

    Maybe get a lightly used Q7? I know used car prices are crazy but still the first couple years should be reasonable depreciation... tho pay attention to when the mid-cycle refresh happened - I think it's with the 2020 model year; that's when they moved to the two large screens instead of tiny...
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    Resale value, and replacement ICE

    Assume based on your potential choices you need a 3 row SUV. Honestly if you want quality/premium feel, just go with the Q7. You really can't compare a Q7 to MY in terms of performance; they are completely different classes of car. One is a smaller sports SUV while the other is a mainly comfort...
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    Why Lease a car?

    I don't know if the OP is stupid or just trolling... Many, or most luxury cars are leased, because it's generally cheaper to lease if you want a new car every 3 years. A lease is a forward contract that guarantees the sale price of the car at the end of the lease - and this value is generally...
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    Thinking of selling/trading the Model 3, want more space

    If you are OK with spending high 50s you should look into pre-owned Porsche Cayenne (like a certified S from 4 years ago or even a GTS if you can find a lucky one) or very late model BMW X5 (new gen from 2019). These are probably the best driving cars of their size and honestly are much better...
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    Used Model S signature for 27k, 52k miles

    An 2012 Model S is almost 10 years old and early Model S's were known to have serious quality issues. Basically the advice I have seen on this board is don't buy it unless the battery pack and motor have been replaced. Even so, it may depend on how long ago they were replaced and also be...
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    Will an 8 year old Model S be almost worthless?

    This past year has been a major anomaly in used car prices. Prices are unusually high due to various shortages and work stoppage that have limited new car production. As things return to normal, used car prices should return to normal and the 8+ year model S's should then fall to normal levels...
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    Should I Buy a Used 2013-2014 Tesla Model S?

    I remember the post; think it's 11k after some negotiated discount (for a refurbished battery). However that's the base price on the battery; after all installed + tax it was 14.5k.
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    Should I Buy a Used 2013-2014 Tesla Model S?

    This is not about Tesla, but as a rule of thumb, do NOT buy an old, out of warranty luxury car that was expensive (say 80+k) when new but now only cost 20 something k. The sweet spot for used luxury cars is 3-6 years old, in terms of price, features, and cost of maintenance/repairs. I assume...
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    Model 3 LR for LONG daily commute?

    I think yes. To me, the Model S is noticeably more comfortable to sit in than the Model 3, and offers a smoother, quieter ride. It's not that big of a deal for a normal daily commute and occasional road trips. However if it's sitting in it for 4 hrs a day at highway speeds, I definitely would...
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    Value of 2012 Model S Signature P85 w/out working battery

    OP really spent 12k to fix a car that's not worth much more!? I probably would have traded it in for whatever they were willing to give me, if any (would have been junked otherwise)...
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    Impression of the Porsche Taycan

    I drove the Taycan 4s extensively (given to me as a loaner) when my Cayenne was being serviced a couple months ago. The car is a Porsche first and an EV second. I don't feel it competes with any Tesla at the moment (if we disregard the EV part). The Model S feels more like a BMW 5 series. The...
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    Considering 2021 Model 3 - Trade-offs to current cars on my mind

    Assuming the Z4 is in good condition, I definitely wouldn't part it for a model 3. The fact is the Z4 is much more fun to drive. You got stick and hydraulic steering, both of which enthusiasts desire. Also the car is only like 3000 pound so MUCH MUCH more tossable. In addition to handling, the...
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    Time to pull the trigger and buy a Model S. Help me understand the pricing though please.

    The used pricing is simply ridiculous; just buy the new car.
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    Model Y ride comfort?

    Just test drove a Model Y LR this past weekend. I walked away very disappointed. The suspension is really poor - it's really the worst of both worlds. Usually with suspension, you have to make a trade between handling and comfort, so it's either stiff but handles well, or soft but boaty /...
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    FSD - monthly subscription

    Honestly if the subscription is for a service where the driver still has to pay full attention, I just don't see how people would find it to be worth much at all, let alone 100+ per month... AP is included in the car and highway driving is the large majority of most commutes... something that...
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    How are the used 20-25k model S cars?

    Honestly just rule of thumb - if one is only able to afford a car in the 20 something k range, one should not be buying an old, depreciated luxury sedan. People buying 20 something k new cars can expect to spend very little on maintenance and repairs in the first 4-5 years of ownership (assuming...
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    Model S range and interior update imminent?

    Indeed, tho I am not talking about the concept car, but the pre-production cars that they were road testing (because it's more often than not that production cars look pretty different from concept, tho Taycan is one of the exceptions). They literally just put body panel covers on them so you...
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    Model S range and interior update imminent?

    Do you follow car development/release of other brands? These are almost certainly test mules. Did you ever see pics of the Porsche Taycan before they were publicly unveiled? They looked terrible. That's because they put body colored panels to hide the actual shapes and details; they even hid the...
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    2018 Model 3 LR RWD, Red, EAP, 16k miles

    41.5k final no haggle price Otherwise not worth selling private compared to trading in. Will probably trade in before month end if no taker. Yes has eap as shown in the build sheet. Just checked on website and fsd upgrade is 3k. Total mileage is about 16,300 today.
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    2018 Model 3 LR RWD, Red, EAP, 16k miles

    Haha no, just happened to have another model 3 parked there. car is still available, please pm if interested.
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    2018 Model 3 LR RWD, Red, EAP, 16k miles

    Mileage is in the title - 16k miles
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    2018 Model 3 LR RWD, Red, EAP, 16k miles

    Car is in great condition, no accidents, no issues. Wife found new job just a few blocks from me and we moved near city center so no need of a 2nd car. Priced to sell at $42.5k. Located in Charlotte NC See all car info below. Please pm me if interested.
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    Windows did not auto go down, can’t close door

    This morning when entering the car, passenger side windows didn’t auto go down. They also do not respond to window controls after this happened. Thus passenger side doors can’t be closed and I had to drive my other car to work. Anyone had this issue before? Know a solution? I am also planning...
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    Lease FSD depreciation costs seems high?

    TT97, yes BMW & MB and many others inflate their residuals; but it means they still can make money on those residuals. They wouldn't be in the leasing business if leasing at those rates cause them to lose money. It points to the efficiency these dealerships have - that they can still make money...
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    BMW i8 same price as Model 3

    The i8 is a very beautiful car both inside and out and I am sure it drives really well. However there are usually good reasons why an originally expensive car heavily depreciates. This is not always the case for exotic looking sports cars; some actually maintain value really well (some even...
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    Lease FSD depreciation costs seems high?

    Leases can be very good deals on many luxury cars if you know you want a new car every 3 years. This is particularly true when you see the cars marked at 60+% residuals when it would be hard for you to get 50% when trading in (after 3 years and 40k miles). The fact is bid-ask spread on luxury...
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    Lease FSD depreciation costs seems high?

    Tesla has terrible lease numbers. Basically the company would rather you buy because it's not really well built to sell pre-owned cars. Thus if you want the car, just buy it, don't lease.
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    Frequent price changes worse than negotiated discounts

    This is not me complaining about price changes' effects on me; instead it's my thinking for the good of Tesla in general.
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    Frequent price changes worse than negotiated discounts

    These constant price changes are terrible. They destroy brand value and hurt both old and new customers. They make people doubt their decisions, wonder if they made/are making the right choices, and become generally more reluctant in such a major purchase, the purchase of a car. People highly...
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    More Model 3 changes and leasing now available

    Humm, self employed and making 300k+. How many percent of all people is that, less than 0.5%? So I guess these less than 5 in a thousand people is the target of the lease deal?
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    How much below asking CPO pricing does Tesla pay for a used Tesla

    It is common industry practice for bid-ask spread at luxury dealerships to be $10k or more when the sales price is above $40k. The higher the price, the bigger the spread. This is just due to the fact that is's hard to sell expensive pre-owned cars privately; the market is simply not liquid.
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    Is anyone still waiting for a lease program for the Model 3?

    Don't get your hopes up much. Tesla has traditionally had really terrible leases with SIGNIFICANTLY higher monthly payments compared to BMW cars with the same MSRP, even with previous tax benefits. Given future cars will have little to no tax benefits and probably lower residuals than before...
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    2015 Tesla Model S 90D

    I want to apologize first, but that's the worst color combination that I have ever seen on a car... GLWS.
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    Can I buy my $110k Tesla for $30k?

    The lease provider takes the loss (if you can call it that). I mean Tesla made a huge profit in selling the car in the first place, with lease payments that are grossly inflated compared to BMW, so doubt they are actually losing much.
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    Why are all car paint colors so boring?

    Because very few people actually would buy cars with so called "cool" colors. Car companies make cars to sell and make money. If there really were a color cooler than black, it would have been found a long time ago and be on many cars. However almost by definition that color would also be...
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    2018 Model S Depreciation

    Tesla cars used to hold their value quite well, but recently it's become worse than BMW/MB -- just crazy depreciation in the first couple years. At this level of depreciation, it begins to feel dumb to buy new...
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    Tesla "Used" buying nightmare

    Nothing wrong with you. Tesla has shitty sales and they will fail if they don't improve it. It's stupid and ridiculous that Tesla doesn't make sales experience its first priority.
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    Preowned Tesla

    It's like buying any preowned car. Make sure it's not an accident/damaged car and it's in good condition, if possible. You always have the original 4yr/50k warranty. If you buy CPO, you also get CPO warranty. CPO warranty doesn't cover wear and tear items; you can probably ask for a list of...
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    Disappointing roll-out

    Alright adding something. I wouldn't be as disappointed if the car is available much sooner, for example this fall. Given how similar it is to Model 3, I thought they are almost done with it, and you could get one fairly soon. But it's 2 years away and it ll have the same design as a car that...
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    Losing interest in the Tesla Brand

    Model Y looks like an uglier, bloated Model 3 and won't be out for another 2 years. Model S is still the old Model S after so many years. Huge price drops that destroy brand value/prestige. Honestly it's getting boring. Tesla just isn't as cool as it used to feel.
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    Disappointing roll-out

    This was a pretty disappointing roll-out, for 2 primary reasons: Model Y looks like a bloated model 3, with a bit more interior room, but not much; with road clearance that doesn't look materially different. Its shape will compromise both rear headroom and cargo space Won't be available, per...
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    The new fantasy sales framework will fail

    Haha, so much for the new sales model; it appears many stores will be kept open as showrooms, with price rising to support, etc. Elon needs to be a more thoughtful and stable.
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    The new fantasy sales framework will fail

    Hendrick has a monopoly in the Charlotte area, so I don't buy from them (their service is great, but prices are bad). Dealership fees are negotiable and other dealerships charge much less than Hendrick (both prices and fees). The fees dealerships do charge take care the entire process of...
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    What would you pay for a LR AWD used?

    You should sell to carmax immediately at that price.
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    Losing interest in the Tesla Brand

    If that's your opinion then I guess you are stuck with Tesla for some time. I and many others don't feel that way. I value both EV and ICE driving dynamics. They feel very different and I enjoy each in its own way.
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    Why does everyone keep saying AP+FSD=$5000?

    Well then anyone who purchased Model 3 before the price change and also purchased EAP for 5k should get FSD as well at no additional cost. It's ridiculous to gouge these early supporter another 2k for FSD.
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    The new fantasy sales framework will fail

    You REALLY only spent 2 hours to buy a car, getting a loan and selling your car? Man, you should become a consultant and teach your process to car dealers everywhere. You ll make millions! (adding an aside here... really just on selling car alone, assuming you don't shop around, and just drive...
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    Should We Be Concerned?

    I started a thread on this as well. I think the experiment will fail.