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i cannot comment on the rest of the world, especially places where there is no rebate, maybe the price of gas there is super expensive? maybe the big power v8 there have a 200% green levy? There are just way too many factors. but I do know, every single person standing in the line that day...

I can tell you, when I was lining up at the store, the 14000 is the ONLY reason why there is a line up. think about it, why would people line up for a car they haven't seen? the only reason is b/c it is CHEAP, and they know deep down inside the rebate won't last forever. as soon as gov sees...

can you not read? I never asked to extend that thing. in fact, I will be perfectly happy if they cancel the 14000 rebate all together. and make all previous EV owners repay their rebates as well.

those people who signed are truly making me sick. asking the gov to use public tax money in order to support you own individual transportation needs for your own benefit. I have no words...

if there is a bus directly from my front door to work, i would take it. so the point being if they keep building the public transportation network then there will be a day when taking a bus is more convenient than driving. gov can also tax more on gas cars, which i believe they already do...

they say 2019, time will tell. at least I believe it. and it is not only apple either, google too. they are not gonna wait for each other and shareholders won't wait that long either.

last time i checked a forum is used for people to express their opinion, which can mean both + and - if you feel like you have something to contribute, why don't you spell it out. as in, why do you think using public tax money to support individual transportation needs is justified. Koch...

friend has 70d, drove it pedal to the metal. pretty fast for street but still much slower than my toys. great dd car for sure, but heavy as a pig.

the fact that apple a computer/phone maker with 0 experience with 4 wheels can and will build an ev in 3 years should prove my point of ev is much much simpler than ICE cars. the landscape will change a lot very very quickly.

instead of supporting individual needs, they can make most buses EVs or lower public transportation fare or build more bus lines and build better clean mass transport system. I said to my friend who has a model s, if you really care about the environment then you will either walk to bike to take...

using collective tax payer money to support individual transportation needs. why don't they use that amount of money to protect the environment more? I have no words for those people who signed the petition to extend the EV rebate, how can they even justify their cause? I wonder if at dinner...

I need a grocery getter/winter car, our gov is also giving rebate of 14000 CAD and who knows how long that will last. I reserved it b/c it is a good deal, if the final product is acceptable. to me I always think the gov rebate thing is a complete joke, using collective tax payer money to...

looks way better than the model 3 prototype for sure vs. its not even close...

yes so far major advantage for tesla's sc network but BMW/other car makers were also forming a pack in terms of mapping services and other AP learning networks etc. so I will not be surprised that they form a pack in terms of developing charging standards and networks as well. at this moment...

fair point, but as of this moment tesla is yet produce 500k cars, right? last year they made 50k cars. by the time they can ramp up to 500k cars, that will be at least in 2019. 3 years from now. a lot can change in 3 years. but with model 3 reservation hype, all car makers in Germany had...

they are already making i3 pure ev, last time i checked they are not making their own battery either. believe or not a car manufacture barely makes anything themselves, most parts are supplied by third party vendors, battery is no exception. as long as there is a demand, some vendor will sell...

any body can make a EV, heck BYD made a 200mile EV already. if BMW or Benz wants a EV they can hack it up in no time. the only question is are they willing to, and how they are going to market it. kinda hard to sell a pure EV while selling a 600+hp 4.4 twin turbo V8 monster that gets 15miles...

keep dreaming, and don't stop taking what the doctor ordered

seems like all Ev owners wanted to do is compare straight-line times, that is what the author of the article pointed out. and certainly it seems to be very true. I never know pressing down a pedal with one speed transmission takes this much skills lol so @doubejj, why didn't you look up...

AWD vs. RWD, big deal?

if you can even see my LED tail light. and i am guessing pressing on a pedal on a one-speed transmission car takes a lot of skills as well :p

HUD was designed for fighter pilot, the whole intention is so that they don't have to look elsewhere (focus) while fighting. DD is just another dash, nothing fancy about them. I drove plenty of BMW with HUD, to me HUD is a must for a modern car. In fact, for a 120k car like 90d model S without...

the last time i checked, the biggest track near me has a back straight that is about 1km long = 0.625 miles. 1/4 mile is just a short stretch, b/c people in the 50/60s needs a safe place to race in a straight line... cars in that era only have a few HP. an Ev car has no chance past even 1/3...

FYI rev head does not admire AMGs, 7000rpm is not high rev and you can't predict the future, you are not god. In 30 years maybe true high rev n/a v8s like e92 m3, GT350, 458 will fetch 1million+ while old model 3 goes straight to recycle after the junk yard picks it up for 200 bucks.

you can look at rs7 on the low end , panemera turbo s on the high end not quite as fast 0-60, but we know the road doesn't end just at 60mph

1999 mercury-cougar for reference, i can see the resemblence for sure.

you should also know hellcat, during 2015 model years were limited by the number of engines they can produce. also there is 25-50k adm on a hellcat during early release. that is right, the ADM costs more than a model 3. I personally don't like a car like hellcat, but to dodge that car was one...

any stock gt-r, 911 turbo, same price range as p90L, can pretty much match it for 0-60, out pace it in 1/4 and more. basically pretty much any high power AWD DCT cars can give p90L a run in the straight line. and any decent litre bikes can pretty much do the same. 9.6-9.8s in 1/4. EV is not...

3 mins, 3 and 1/2 mins or 4 mins, not a big difference. the fact is there are simply not enough cooling. even modern ICE cars go limp, let alone an EV car with close to 0 cooling capabilities.

Electric Torque Is No Replacement for a High-Revving Engine "The Model 3, which in its current pre-production form looks like a cross between the first-generation Nissan Stanza hatchback and the unlamented 1999 Mercury Cougar, is supposed to have all sorts of surprise-and-delight features like...

lol keep dreaming... you won't even get to see the LED tail light of my S1000RR, in less than 3 mins on any track your battery will overheat and going to limp mode. that is just a fact lol EV car has its uses, that is why I ordered one, you know, getting groceries etc.

Electric Torque Is No Replacement for a High-Revving Engine completely agreed EV cars are only good for city driving. 0-80mph is fine, after that there is nothing left

ya that was my typo, you know what i mean tho

this extra clear dyno chart for your reading pleasure

wear your glasses plz, 0-150mph prove once again once you past that point, e-motors are completely useless, no hp, no tq C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 2.8 sec Zero to 100 mph: 7.1 sec Zero to 150 mph: 21.8 sec

if you look at the dyno, once e-motor goes past certain rpm like 3000rpm, it dosn't make any more power and kept losing tq rapidly any decent cars 500+hp can smoke p90d in high speed runs, certain in Germany this is an everyday phenomenon

just like christopher columbus discovered the Americas in 1492, and brought clarity and advancement to that land. opened the eyes of many people who never seen the other side. * cough* RPM does not affect output

I m not sure if you know how to drive a manual car, or use the sports paddles to change gears yourself you said 335xi Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.8 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.4 sec but at 30mph, i m not using my top gear which on the 335xi AT is the 8th gear. i could easily be on 3rd in the sweat...

get a 328i, do ED save 6%, plus discounts pretty sure it will be under 35k. 5.2s 0-60 good luck to base model 3.

any awd car at that price range eats p90d for lunch and breakfast plus dinner. and dance circles around it on track. 2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 vs. 2015 Nissan GT-R NISMO, 2014 Porsche 911 Turbo S - Comparison Tests 0-100mph 15.8 sec where as p90d does in 21.8s not even on the same field.

yea i suppose 5-60 is more "real life", two cars perfectly synced to exactly 5mph and press the accelerator at the same time.

I am sorry, but i only speak based on facts. When i was waiting to buy model 3, the nice young lady in front of me ever had a car. the store I happened to be in has a very small parking lot, and when the nice sales rep came to collect all the car keys so they can park and take out cars for us...

As Expected, Tesla Model S Fails To Lap Nurburgring Under Full Power Tesla Model S Fails To Lap Nurburgring Under Full Power – Video

2015 BMW 335i xDrive - Instrumented Test C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec Standing ¼-mile: 13.3 sec @ 105 mph 2016 BMW 328i Automatic - Instrumented Test C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 5.2 sec Standing ¼-mile: 13.9 sec @ 99 mph well model 3 is not out yet, so the best comparison...

"TRANSMISSION:6-speed manual" auto is 4.5-4.6s all day

I drove the model s 70d, it is okay, certainly wasn't faster than any modern turbo BMW cars like 335xi. the other poster's new 340xi will be even faster. he wasn't lying when he said 4.5s 2015 BMW 335i xDrive - Instrumented Test C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec Standing ¼-mile: 13.3...

his could be chipped, a 500 USD jb4 piggy back will give you close to 380/400 tq. another great benefit of turbo cars.

I agree @voip-ninja, these days the new B series engine uses water-2-air intercooler with less piping and very little lag. once you get to the power band which is defined as peak tq to peak hp, it is a monster whether its B48 2L B58 3L. its so funny people starts to educate me about 'real...

b/c model 3 is not out yet? so the only comparable times are the stats from model S. so many ppl said model s is fast, but when it comes to fact checks the 70D is even slower than a 228xi and that is just a fact. slower/even on both straight line and much slower on track that is a given. I...

the admin asked me to list the stuff Tesla can learn from BMW, so here it goes: keep it mind when Model 3 comes out in 2018 or 2019 or which ever year you can actually get your hands on, the next 3 series would of been out on the street already. F30 3 series came out in 2012, so 2018 will be the...