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EAP features “expected” in December 2016 included automatic transition from one highway to another and other fantasies. If these are all available in December 2017 I promise to fill my MS with gasoline through the charging port.

Actually the promise (expressed as an‘expectation’) wasn't just for parity with AP1, it was for the whole array of EAP functionality: use of four cameras, automatic transition from one freeway to the next, etc. We shouldn’t forget the depth of the deception. That all sounds ridiculous now that...

I've used ACC on at least five other makes and models, and they're all better than Tesla TACC. Wait till your Tesla slams on the brakes at 65 mph in response to a shadow on the road, with someone following too close behind you. Then you'll want to revisit your "even better" assessment.

(quoting a Tesla rep) It makes no sense to lump together AP1 and AP2 experience. It's different software running on different hardware. Those of us who late last year road tested an HW1 car and were sold a "vastly improved" HW2 car know this from bitter experience. Adaptive Cruise Control is...

Well, in the sense that faith transcends logic you may be right. Based on the evidence, though, as we come up on a year of failied or non- attempts at AP2, Summon, rain-sensing wipers, and all the announced EAP features, I would have to say the chances of a well-performing headlight control...

OK, so with my left hand I pull on the stalk, and I keep my right on the steering wheel so AP won't yell at me and disconnect. Now how am I supposed to eat my Doritos? Seriously, thanks Max. I will try this tonight. BTW, I'm old enough to remember when the beams were controlled by a left foot...

I'm finding the automatic high beams useful to some degree, but there's a problem: The system sometimes dims the lights in response to the reflection of my own headlights on a white road sign, or when I'm passing a house with a post light near the street. And after passing a car on a dark road...

The learned behavior thing was just another instance of marketing flimflam from Tesla. It was never implemented, and perhaps was never even planned. Just more nonsense to build the myth of the genius founder.

I received a software update a few days ago. The release notes promised resolution of some unspecified bugs, so I tried a few things. Summon: I have a two car garage with separate doors, so there's a center divider between them. There's plenty of clearance on both sides. I told the system to...

That's an important point that's often missed in discussions of FSD. Even if it can be shown that a self driving car is statistically safer than a human driven one, the public and the regulators will not accept a single fatality caused by FSD technology. AP2 in its current state can't be...

Aside from a few ambiguous tweets, Tesla isn't communicating to us at all. Elon Musk seems to have turned his attention to new endeavors, and doesn't seem to care about getting the old ones right. If there's a full time forceful executive running the car company I don't know his name, and I...

@luckyj @escarfan et al: The EAP disclaimers you refer to that are currently on the website were added in early 2017. Prior to that Tesla falsely claimed that all the EAP features were only awaiting final validation, for expected delivery in December. Fourth quarter buyers didn't fail to heed...

@Moi? That's ok, I can use a good poking every so often. Just to be clear, I wasn't pointing to Audi circa 2013 as the Holy Grail. My point was that the features Tesla hypes with non-standard names like autopilot, autosteer, and tacc aren't unusual and don't outperform other high-end (and even...

I can't figure out if substituting "parody" for "parity" is brilliant irony on your part, Ranger, or just one of the AutoCorrect serendipitous errors. Either way, hilarious.

The problem with not getting it is that without EAP you will have only "dumb" cruise control, i.e. the kind that pays no attention to the car in front of it. Adaptive cruise control - what Tesla calls TACC - increases safety and convenience. Dumb cruise control decreases safety, especially in...

You're right; they said one car would do it, but didn't say with how many would be trying. Given your observation, I'm going to reverse my metaphor: The coast to coast unassisted drive in a current-production Tesla will happen when you can pour guacamole into a hopper and have an avocado, a...

All those promises were there as part of the EAP ordering process back in the fourth quarter of last year, when I bought it. The difference is that there were no disclaimers then - simply a statement that these features were awaiting final validation and were expected to be in production by...

What I said is that it used eight cameras, full stop. I didn't say, didn't intend to imply, and don't believe, that all of them were involved in lane-keeping. The car, which was as I recall the Prestige model with the Innovation package, featured a "birds-eye" camera view, to which I think some...

I predict, expropriating your metaphorical world, that this will happen around the same time I can throw some avocados, limes, an onion, a tomato, and some cilantro into a hopper and have perfect guacamole come out the other end.

Actually,,Tesla completed the AP2 software, including all promised EAP features, last December. I know this because they assured me, in writing, that EAP was awaiting only final validation when I committed in November. Bitterness about those lies aside, I don't see steady progress with a...

I don't know about today, but the 2013 Audi A6 I traded for my S was better at both lane keeping and adaptive cruise control. It had, and used, eight cameras.

Actually, class action membership is passive. If the class is certified and the definition fits, you are part of the lawsuit unless you take action to remove yourself. I do believe we are owed a refund, but what I really want is a working and safe autonomous driving experience. Now that...

No need to be creative. Adaptive Cruise Control and Lane-Keeping Assistance are now industry standard terms. By adopting ACC/LKA Tesla could set expectations more realistically. Fear of lawsuits has caused product suppliers to overwhelm consumers with safety warnings, most of which are silly...

I created a fake driver called Access as a DIY entry/exit mode. Mr. Access likes his seat all the way back and down, and the steering wheel all the way in and up. It's fairly easy to select, and to default to on my key fob. I wanted an X until I test-drove one. The doors seemed so toy-like and...

That's really our only hope. Tesla has been willing to see its Nav technology fall behind, and its fit-and-finish quality lag the industry leaders, but up to now it's been competing only with its own broken promises on AP - a sector where they have loudly staked out a leadership claim. Now that...

There is a qualitative difference between what was said about EAP and FSD back in the 4th quarter of 2016. FSD was always characterized as a future deliverable, and changes in timeframe – even dramatic ones – can be seen by those with a charitable bent as just excessive exuberance. EAP was...

Tesla needs Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. They would be great on that big beautiful screen, and would stop us having to kludge up the dashboard.

"Plethora" is nice, but in this case I think we're experiencing its anagram: rathole p.

You know the play/movie The Music Man? The protagonist is an earlier-day Elon Musk, who makes up attractive stories to sell his product and then begins to half believe them himself. Our cars are as likely to learn from experience as our toasters. I won't believe otherwise until someone shows...

Obviously not. We're seeing everything from "It tried to kill me" to "It saved my life", and all points between.

Just checked my calendar. Can't find a month named "upcoming". Kind of silly to have a news story about something that might happen someday, especially from a source known for not delivering on much more concrete promises. As a workaround, I added a driver named Access that has the seat all...

True, but of course the stated goal of AP2 was to be vastly, not incrementally better than AP1, with fantastic FSD features not far behind. My problem is that I'm 70.7 years old, and US male life expectancy is 76.9. I'm hoping to get in a little of that cool stuff while I'm still alive. The race...

Maybe they've decided that the only way to fully achieve parity between AP2 and AP1 is to degrade AP1 and then declare victory.

As one who bought in late 2016, I would add to this good advice: ...and only buy based on features that are already in production and working well. Pay no attention to what Tesla promises or "expects", as they have shown that they should not be trusted.

The EAP software that was "expected" to be delivered December 2016 is now barely at parity with AP1, with none of the promised additional features. It's unlikely that Tesla has any idea whether HW2.0 will support FSD or not when and if they ever get their software development act together...

I took the request for documentation to be rhetorical. If there had been serious accidents using AP2 on local streets we would have all heard about them. The happy fact that there probably haven't been doesn't mean the system isn't dangerous. The reason, in my opinion, is that those of us who...

I'm confused by the "no disrespect". You're accusing me of lying while admitting you have no evidence. That seems like the epitome of disrespect. If you're interested enough to dispute my eyewitness account, I would urge you to visit a dealer and take a test drive, and then we can have a...

‍♀️ Anticipating some reaction to my early morning statement, I kept a mental journal this morning. I no longer own the Audi, but I took my Acura on a 102 mile trip on the Mass Pike (I-90) this morning, starting at the intersection with I-95 and ending in the Berkshires. Upon entering the...

i don't think ICE cars are any different from EVs in this regard. Modern aerodynamics are ruined by open windows. It would be nice if cars came with efficient fresh air intakes, emitting outside air through the AC vents, but this doesn't seem to be available on current vehicles.

I've owned two cars that can do this about as well as my MS: a 2014 Audi A6 and a 2016 Acura MDX. By "about as well" I mean with an occasional driver intervention. My original point, that Tesla is simply giving a fancy name to what are now very common features in other cars, stands. Each model...

These decisions are made by lawyers, not engineers. My previous ride, an Audi A6 2014, could do this in Germany but not in the USA for unspecified "safety reasons". (Hacks were available, of course.)

Traveling on I-95 in MA yesterday I attempted an auto lane change twice. The adjacent lane was wide open. Instead of doing the change, the auto steer shut down, as if I had taken over steering. (My hands weren't touching the wheel at all.) I was able to re-activate it immediately. I've never...

Oh, please. Do we really have to wait for someone to get hurt before you'll acknowledge what everyone can see? On local roads AP2 lurches across double yellow lines and threatens to plow into oncoming traffic. The standard of comparison shouldn't be human drivers in general; it should be drunks...

On a road with one lane in each direction, passing is safest at high speed, as the less time spent exposed to oncoming vehicles the better. Even where not encoded in law, this seems to be understood in most places. Here in Massachusetts, the speed limit on the Mass Pike is 65. Once out of...

Many years ago I was in a similar accident in my ten day old Mercedes 420SEL The insurance company refused to total it, and spent over $40,000 to repair it instead. That made financial sense to them, but for me it was a disaster. The car never looked or drove quite right, and three years later I...

Perhaps the punishment for breaking the rules should be graduated: 5 minutes without AP for the first offense, 10 for the second, and finally the current parking requirement for the third. To me, that would make sense for both attentiveness control and exceeding the 90 mph rule with AS...

@CameronB Thanks for this very useful data and analysis. It seems clear that AP2 has evolved into a competent Adaptive Cruise Control /Lane-Keeping Assistance equipped vehicle, able to perform well for long stretches of highway driving. In this, based on your report, it has now reached parity...

Great symbolism there: "a blot on the escutcheon. A stain or mark against one's reputation or that of one's family. An escutcheon was a heraldic shield that bore a family's coat of arms, and thus serves as a metaphor for one's honor." Tesla's implementation of features like Summon and AP2 is...

Unlike the Hicks Boson, which required years and billions of dollars to discover, the Freeway Moron is painfully easy to find. I can only suggest a move to Massachusetts, where aside from the infamous Boston Left Turn we are always safe and sane drivers.

My understanding is that while the HW1 cars have a sensor dedicated to this purpose, the intent is for HW2 cars to use an algorithm analyzing input from a camera for this purpose. If that's the case, they've gone from a simple, cheap approach used ubiquitously across many brands to a leap into...