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So if I'm in WI and want to order a long range but the delivery estimate of a performance is much sooner, June - August, is it realistic than I might see one in June/July if I spend the extra for the performance version? Is there a way to get more certainty?

I am one who is reconsidering...I have a new found respect for Elon and am considering buying a Tesla again. I'd love to see him move from CA to a state friendlier to business.

Why would you pay that much though when you could have bought one brand new for that price after the tax credit in early 2019?

But with the Tesla model not really taking trades that forces people to private party their cars.... or settle for the lowball offers from Carmax.

Why would you not do a private party transaction for $40k? You trust a dealer more than an individual? That makes no sense. Last year I bought a $195k car from a private party. I got to know the seller, saw his house and other cars, learned the history of the car, etc. I'd much rather buy a...

This is where the LR 2WD is trading at the Manheim auctions: 1/3/20 $42,700 4,363 4.5 EL/A Blue Regular Southwest Dallas 12/27/19 $42,750 2,710 4.1 EL/A Red Regular West Coast Nevada 12/26/19 $29,200* 17,550 2.1 EL/A Black Regular Southeast Palm Beach 12/12/19 $36,600 7,999 4.0 EL/A Silver...

I've probably told this story before but I had my 458 in for paint protection film last fall and the owner of the shop walked me over to a tesla they were wrapping to show me how bad the paint job was. He knew I was looking at them. It was a black car, had spots where the primer was showing...

Do you think when Ford starts rolling Mach E's off the line next year you could pull 10 cars aside and find a single paint imperfection in the bunch? I doubt it. I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla pays people to troll these forums convincing people it's ok to accept cars with inferior build quality.

Ha, yeah right. A new car shouldn't have a pimple in the paint right by the door handle and they were smart enough to know that and take care of it. It was a pretty easy conversation.

Going back to 2007 I refused delivery of a Mini Cooper because it had a little pimple in the clear coat, after waiting 3 months for the car. The dealership ended up giving me like $1,000 of accessories to take the car. I didn't know it at the time but a week later a body shop was able to...

Not overreacting at all. These posts probably don't even happen in the Kia forums (if there is such a thing). A $60k car shouldn't have paint this bad. Can you imagine the build quality in the cars that are being slammed out for 12/31 delivery...

I think being able to switch over to gas when the charge runs out is a pretty big benefit. I've also looked at the Bolt but can't justify paying the same price for something that can't get me to Chicago and back without stopping for a charge.

This is a really good question and it's one I've been asking myself for about a year now. I really want to buy a model 3, I can't explain why, but every time I get close I realize it's a bad idea. My 4th Volt that I bought earlier this year had something like a $42k MSRP but was ~ $29k after...

If I were you I'd just cancel the FSD. Tesla's lack of concern for their customers will catch up with them once the other manufacturers start introducing better built cars with the full federal tax rebate.

It would make more sense for black to be free and to charge extra for the good colors.

It's looney tunes stuff like that that turns me off of a tesla.

Exactly, me too.

I want a LR RWD, the difference used to only be like $6k, but they're hard to find now. It's not worth an extra $10k for another 100 miles of range and if I want to go 0-60 in 3.5 seconds (AWD) I have another car that will do it faster. For a daily driver AWD doesn't make sense. Traction control...

If I buy a Tesla can I use the normal EV charging stations that are in most parking garages? Or do I need some adapter that they no longer provide?

How are you getting $6,000 off? Are you willing to pay the range penalty all year long for the 4 or 5 days in the winter when there's actually an active snow storm while you're driving? Here in WI, if it snows overnight the roads are pretty much cleared and dry the next morning.

What car and driver article are you talking about?

Wow, $750 extra for black now. Why would anyone pay extra for the worst possible color a car can be?

At least he's honest.

Yeah, but I only paid $23,500 for a $42k MSRP Volt. That's two Volts for the price of a LR RWD Model 3. I traded my 16k mile Volt towards the new Volt and only paid $2,800 difference after all the tax and registration fees. It's pretty hard to pass at that price even if obsolete. And don't...

I've been kicking around the idea since they brought the standard range down to $36,200. I've read just about everything there is to read about the Model 3. I want it to be a great car but just can't pull the trigger because of all the build quality issues. I pop back here once in a while to see...

I just picked up a new Chevy Volt last Tuesday. The fit and finish is perfect. I can't find a flaw on the entire car. I purchased a different Chevy Volt last December. Guess what, the fit and finish was perfect on that car too. Tesla's build quality is to s***ty for me to pull the trigger.

I've had both my detailer/paint protection film guy and my paintless dent removal guy tell me how terrible Tesla's paint quality is compared to other cars they see. I don't get how a company that thinks they're so smart can do such a hack job on assembling these cars.

I popped on this forum again to see if there were any discounts in light of Musk's announcement today to get inventory cars in the right hands. These cars are such a hack job though.... It's probably best to pass.

Here are real auction sales. They look to be holding pretty steady so far. 6/21/19 $40,200 15,238 4.0 EL/A Gray Regular Northeast Pennsylvania 6/12/19 $43,000 9,075 5.0 EL/A Gray Regular West Coast San Francisco Bay 6/5/19 $40,900 11,804 4.3 EL/A Black Regular Southwest Dallas 5/24/19 $38,250...

I think Knightshade is smoking a little too much of Elon's pot.

hell no

Personally I'd return it if you're still within the 7 days. $50k for a car that's had a partial repaint is crazy.

Here it is: Who Scored the best deal during the Firesale? $46k Perf. Model 3 (Spreadsheet)

Find the actual prices paid spreadsheet that's floating around. People order lesser optioned cars and get upgraded to take what's in inventory. Near the end of last quarter I was offered several LR AWD cars with like 3 miles on them at a $4-5k discount because they wanted to sell them before the...

My 2012 Volt came standard with Homelink. My 2015 Volt came Standard with Homelink. Even my 2004 Lamborghini had Homelink. I was pissed when my 2018 Volt didn't have it. This is another bad sign for Tesla. I really want a reason to buy a model 3 but the signs are all wrong. Sitting here...

Can't you just find an inventory car and have it downgraded?

Value to me: surround sound - $1,000 live traffic (route planning still uses live traffic, the colors showing traffic doesn't appear on the screen) - $0 fog lights - $0 backseat heating - $500 autopilot (can be added for $3000 from your Tesla account page) - $1,000 -20 miles range (240 vs 220)...

It sounds like the standard range is a better deal, which is probably why they're hiding it. That or make the jump to LR RWD.

What exactly do you lose for the $4,500 discount? X miles of range and autopilot (adaptive cruise control)?

Did the price of SR+ recently change again. There's on in inventory near me now, but the base price shows as $39,900. Didn't it used to end in a 400?

Unless model 3's are flying off the lots in other countries it seems like there should be some nice incentives come mid-late June. I sure don't see much activity when I've driven past and visited the tesla stores near Chicago. The end of March was crazy but it seems very quiet now.

When I call the stores near me they bring up all sorts of inventory that doesn't show online. I don't think the online inventory is accurate. For example, I've never seen a LR RWD show in local online inventory, but every time I call the guy goes through a bunch of cars that are local in...

I don't think the online inventory is right. When I call my local stores they tell me about cars in inventory that don't show up on the website.

What happens if early-mid June I order a basic black no options SR or SR+? Do they throw deals at me trying to get me to take something in inventory instead by June 30?

I've never seen a black car that looks nice.

Ok this all makes sense now. I was texting with one of our partners here yesterday who has a model S and he told me his drive to the office is so easy now since they recently rolled out some update to autopilot. His car navigates traffic now and he barely needs to pay attention... I asked him...

Hmm, the name "autopilot" is really misleading, but then again Tesla is good at that. So back in April when Autopilot was a $3,000 option, was auto lane change included? I was always under the impression autopilot automatically navigated on the highway and FSD would do the same thing on city...

AutopilotIncluded Enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically for other vehicles and pedestrians within its lane. Full Self-Driving Capability Navigate on Autopilot: automatic driving from highway on-ramp to off-ramp including interchanges and overtaking slower cars. Auto...

So what is current "autopilot", just cruise control?

Looking at the ordering site and these features are shown in FSD. Didn't these used to be included with just autopilot? Navigate on Autopilot: automatic driving from highway on-ramp to off-ramp including interchanges and overtaking slower cars. Auto Lane Change: automatic lane changes while...