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2. *They* have been claiming Tesla Killer/Competition for over SIX years and it’s always ‘just around the corner’, ‘next year’, ‘tomorrow’ etc...
3. I do my own research, don’t need someone else to do it for me and here’s the kicker - there is NO Tesla competitor. None. Zip. Zero. Nadda. And anyone who’s attempting to say there is either not very well informed about Tesla, the entire automotive industry and the EV vs ICE market or is disingenuous.
4. *This* competitor discussion has been had on this forum literally DOZENS of times. A simple search would reveal that. Every stone has been turned over, every angle examined. There is nothing new that can be added to the discussion.
You either understand how Tesla is growing the market segment and stealing from all market segments (not the other way around - OEMs stealing customers from Tesla), how Tesla’s technology is so far ahead of everyone elses and continues to advance every day, how Tesla is building a one stop shop sustainable energy ECOSYSTEM, how OEMs are simply making compliance cars to meet regulations so as to not adversely affect their ICE business, how OEMs aren’t putting enough effort into building HUGE battery factories and global FAST charging networks or you don’t.
I think a distinct advantage that TESLA has over these competitors is their ability to provide OTA changes to address deficiencies and improvements (even net new functionality). It was not addressed in this report and until this is standard, I would not even consider another competitor.
I am curious whether other car brands can use the Tesla Superchargers with a proper adapter? The charging system itself is built into the car, the charging sites only supply electricity. Or are Supercharging sites only available to Teslas?
I still think it is good that other car companies are trying to build electric cars. The more the merrier.
OTA connectivity is potentially a double edged sword. I do worry that there is a potential that Tesla's can get hacked by a malicious intruder. I have heard that is a concern with all cars now who have connectivity but it would be especially true for Tesla whose cars are mostly controlled by a computer.
The funny thing is, any manufacturer could do this, cheap. But as I pointed out in a different forum the other day, technologists tend to assume technology is the hard part. It's not. The hard part is getting the legacy companies to want to change. History shows the most reliable way of doing that is to drive them out of business and let someone with a different vision reassemble something new out of the debris. :-(I think a distinct advantage that TESLA has over these competitors is their ability to provide OTA changes to address deficiencies and improvements (even net new functionality). It was not addressed in this report and until this is standard, I would not even consider another competitor.
"People", maybe. Then again it's what I run screaming from. I don't know what drove Tesla's decision-making, but at this stage in their history it may still be better to own a huge chunk of a small pie than to be going after the big pie everyone's focused on competing for.The one thing most of the manufacturers got right, which Tesla got wrong, is that they have the foresight to produce an SUV first. It's what people want.
"The manufacturer’s leadership position in electric cars will be overtaken by legacy automakers by 2021."
I'm dying of laughter. The legacy automakers are so many years behind they have no chance and catching Tesla's leadership position by 2021.
The premise of this kind of article is fundamentally flawed—the idea that there's going to be one dominate brand of electric car going forward. Tesla's competition is gasoline cars, NOT electric cars. Buyers are not choosing the Model 3 over other electric cars, not yet. If the Model 3 didn't exist, buyers would continue to buy premium midsize gasoline cars by Acura, Audi, BMW, Infinity, Lexus, Mercedes-Benz and Volvo. That's the Model 3's market—the Premium Midsize Sedan market, where the Model 3 had a 52% market share in July 2018, outselling the next best four gasoline cars combined. Electric Vehicles are not a market segment unto themselves, just as diesel powered cars are not a market segment.
Tesla welcomes EVs from other manufacturers because they help fulfill Tesla's mission of accelerating the transition to sustainable transport. It will take many car companies to fulfill this mission.
Just because you didn't bother to look, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Porsche (together with other manufacturers) has planned quiet extensively for charging. They have a multi pronged approach and their charging network:None of these cars have the range of my Tesla 'S', none have the cachet of coolness and I failed to note anything resembling a supercharger network and as they generally have less range, they are less than useful for long trips. So no, I wouldn't even consider changing my Tesla for anything except a newer Tesla, and I don't see them as real competition yet.
Again, all you have to do is do some research.By the way, all these models are hobbled by a dealer network which does not have an incentive to sell them, unless a customer demands them. Tesla has every incentive to sell their cars. So, I regard the timing of significant competition as grossly unrealistic.
Porsche customers like Porsches, not BEVs. Same for Jaguar Customers. My wife is an Audi customer and loves her Audi; refused to consider a BEV. Pardon me for being a pessimistic Tesl enthusiast, but I think we will have internal combustion cares around us for a long time to come
This is, of course, not impressive since Tesla has not been resting on their laurels and VWAG is not a scrappy startup. Sounds like “skating to where the puck was”.Just because you didn't bother to look, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Porsche (together with other manufacturers) has planned quiet extensively for charging. They have a multi pronged approach and their charging network:
Porsche explains its approach to charging electric cars: seamless and fast
Porsche to deploy a network of 500 EV charging stations in North America in time for Mission E next year
Porsche high powered charging will be at a much higher deployment level than Tesla was when they started selling their cars
And if they do, that “may” be impressive!- it will probably be at ~2015 Tesla supercharger penetration, possibly higher by the time Taycans roll off the line. By mid 2020 they may catch up to Tesla's current supercharger penetration.
I guess that’s a nice way of saying “slow”.[… elided …]
VW (owner of Porsche) is the largest auto manufacturer in the world today. They are very methodical
From the perspective of this VWAG ex-customer that’s exactly what they’re doing. I will change my opinion only when they have product available for purchase and delivery in my market. (See upthread for more.)in their planning, so they may take more time than "let's slap together some parts and tell the customer it will work one day when we write the software" silicon valley approach, but they are by no means just going though the motions.
Change “will” to “may” and I’ll even agree. At this point their track record says they are not entitled to a presumption that they’ll execute well.They are serious about his, and putting your head in the sand and pretending they will not be a serious competition is just silly.
Just because you didn't bother to look, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Porsche (together with other manufacturers) has planned quiet extensively for charging. They have a multi pronged approach and their charging network:
Porsche explains its approach to charging electric cars: seamless and fast
Porsche to deploy a network of 500 EV charging stations in North America in time for Mission E next year
Porsche high powered charging will be at a much higher deployment level than Tesla was when they started selling their cars - it will probably be at ~2015 Tesla supercharger penetration, possibly higher by the time Taycans roll off the line. By mid 2020 they may catch up to Tesla's current supercharger penetration. Oh, their superchargers top out at 350KW by the way, so quicker to charge than Tesla today - even if Supercharger2 will go higher, there are over 200K vehicles on the road already which will slow supercharge. Check out one of their pillars for charging - Electrify America - they have over 2 billion dollars funding secured and are deploying already. Current deployment is more than what Tesla had when I got my first Model S.
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Again, all you have to do is do some research.
Porsche updates dealer contract in preparation for upcoming all-electric Taycan and charging infrastructure
VW (owner of Porsche) is the largest auto manufacturer in the world today. They are very methodical in their planning, so they may take more time than "let's slap together some parts and tell the customer it will work one day when we write the software" silicon valley approach, but they are by no means just going though the motions. They are serious about his, and putting your head in the sand and pretending they will not be a serious competition is just silly.