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You are dead wrong, NO Toyota Land Cruisers in the USA have air. Air suspension uses compressed air, the land cruiser uses hydraulic fluid.Yours doesn't the 2019 Toyota Land Cruiser has Air suspension
You are dead wrong, NO Toyota Land Cruisers in the USA have air. Air suspension uses compressed air, the land cruiser uses hydraulic fluid.
Again, I own a 2013 LX 570 (200 series land cruiser in disguise) It has active hydraulic (liquid not air) With springs, Toyota calls it AHC. It can raise, lower, actively dampened, and adjust ride feel. It was available on the 100 series that ran from 1998-2007 and is on the 200 series that is mostly mechanically unchanged since 2007 and will run through at least 2022. In the USA Lexus LX gets AHC, Toyota Land Cruiser it isn’t an option. Around the rest of the world the Toyota has AHC as an option but it is the same hydraulic (not air) system the Lexus has in the USA.
The Prado (which is arguably not a true land cruiser) in Australia, has an option of air on the rear wheels. But from what I see on the land cruiser form I regular, is the off road crowd either don’t get the air option or pull it out first thing.
see below from the service schedule, replace FLUID.
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Looks like it’s For a Prado VX. Rear air for the tow package and again Prado is not available in the US. My guess is It works with load level bags that inflate within the springs. Again you can’t buy a Prado in the USA. Probably Looks something like this:What's part number 4800660024 then 2019 Toyota Land Cruiser Air Suspension Compressor. System, ACTIVE, Brakes - 4800660024 - Genuine Toyota Part
Looks like it’s For a Prado VX. Rear air for the tow package and again Prado is not available in the US. My guess is It works with load level bags that inflate within the springs. Again you can’t buy a Prado in the USA. Probably Looks something like this:
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It is something that you put in when towing and take out when not. Many of the off road guys with lifted (soft) aftermarket suspensions use them for towing.
Still don’t believe me, Here you go build your own and see if there is an air suspension option:
2020 Toyota Land Cruiser Luxury SUV | The timeless icon.
Still, still don’t believe me? Go to the this Land Cruiser enthusiast site and ask about the durability and off functionality of the “air suspension” on the 2019 Toyota 200 series Land Cruiser. I’ll be sitting back with popcorn...
200-Series Cruisers
Ok. If you look at the big picture I don’t think the land cruiser vs CT is a fair comparison. The Land Cruiser is Toyota’s halo vehicle. The current 200 series a 15 year old $90k+ hand built (all in Japan), archaic, beast of a truck, that ships ~8k trucks a year to the USA (~3k Toyota, ~5k Lexus LX). Go on the land cruiser forum and see the “I want to buy a land cruiser buy does it really not have apple play?...” posts. Think of them as the G wagon equivalent of Toyota. Land cruisers are built to a 25 year, 300k mike entirely off road service life. The KDSS in the land cruiser is a hydraulic Active disconnecting sway bar system and AHC is the “fancy” active dampening and ride height form. I agree 100% that modern air suspensions are robust and great for on road driving and the vast majority of CTs will never go off road. But no one in the off road community widely uses air for many reasons, the biggest is articulation (well loss there of) when the height is raised up. Articulation is at least as important was ground clearance. And air suspensions get firmer the more you raise them. With the AHC my suspension gets softer when raised due to the easing of the pressure on the springs. Look up ramp travel index, to put it in perspective a 200 series has more articulation than a 4 door Wrangler rubicon or gladiator rubicon with their sway bars disconnected.Ok went through all the diagrams not just the one I was looking at and you're right it's a ancillary air. ( I can admit when I'm wrong) but It is out of a 2019 Land Cruiser not a Prado and it is a permanent part not something you put in for towing only, There's one on each wheel all the way around, in addition to the Gas strut and spring, but that still isn't the point I was trying to make that was simply a (wrong as it turns out) example. While it's a somewhat a religious argument there's still a lot of support for Air Suspension in the off-road/4x4 world.
- The Land Rover Defender is a well known Air ride 4x4 that's un wide use today
- Despite my idiocy above a lot of people DO put full air ride in Land Cruisers and a lot of other offroad vehicles
Generally air ride is considered to provide a more comfortable ride and better handling than hydraulic suspension.
The issues with taking air off-road in addition to durability like I mentioned earlier are what 1 trying to keep minimum pressures at full extension?
the durability point is out the window if we're comparing to hydraulic suspension as it's just as prone to issues and failure and often more expensive to fix and service
so what's the issue besides adoption? we also need to make sure we're comparing apples to apples here as a lot of the existing examples are going to be from trucks with a solid rear axle which behaves much differently than independent which presumably the CT will be.
Really? They military uses this on gun trucks... it will handle your suburban needs pretty easy..I'm exited about the prospects of a Tesla Cybertruck. It ticks all of my boxes, even if it's weird looking. I've pre-ordered both the dual motor and the tri-motor.... but the most attractive thing about the tri-motor is the 500+ mile range, as my quarterly office visits are 175 miles each way. I'll be watching reviews closely before I commit to an order, or decide to wait.
The air suspension is my biggest concern....
I'm a suburban guy and this would not be a "work" vehicle for me. I might need to haul a load of mulch, carry a dirty German Shepherd in the covered bed, haul a piece of furniture, etc. I suspect that most people ordering this truck are in a similar situation.
The adaptive air suspension sounds like a liability to me and I'm hopeful that somebody in this forum can talk me down. Leveling the truck despite a heavy load is definitely desirable. The ability to raise/lower the vehicle to make it more efficient makes perfect sense. The idea that the Cybertruck can do this with air suspension while potentially carrying heavy loads RELIABLY over 5-10 years without repairs.... that doesn't sound realistic. I'm thinking that this air suspension may last 50k-75k miles (other vehicles use similar suspension) and require replacing.... and if we go by other Tesla models, we may be talking about $1500 a wheel AND the vehicle may not be operable in the event that the air suspension fails on one wheel.
Given that the battery/electrical resources are already available, why would the Tesla engineers not use a more durable and similarly functional magnetic suspension?
Thoughts?
Those are both hydraulic fluid with springs. The LORD MR is like a cross between Toyota AHC and GM “magnetic”. So not air suspensions.Really? They military uses this on gun trucks... it will handle your suburban needs pretty easy..
Bottom line is that we don't KNOW anything, but if it is anything like the air suspensions in the S and X you will be able to set it however you want it.I have a couple questions (concerns) about the CT suspension...
1) Do we know if we'll be able to set it to ride height to something pretty low, so that it's a firm ride when we want it?
2) My main concern is that it will ride like my wife's Honda Pilot which is so soft and squishy -- I hate it. My current Model 3 has a nice firm ride that I like.
Musk did talk about the air suspension being used to help with cornering at one time. Whether it happens or not is up in the air.What I'm curious about is if there will be a "fish tank" mode, where it corners like a motorcycle to keep water in a tank (in principle).