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Edi99
Egbert Dijkstra
Dit krijgt dan weer minder aandacht:
http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/25042/bmw-roept-autos-terug-wegens-brandgevaar
Tesla i.i.g. qua ontwerp o.k., BMW moet er 120.000 gaan fixen. Kennelijk zijn we aan recalls en brandende ICE's gewend geraakt. Tesla fikkie is nog spannend en nieuw.
LastNLSig
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X-RAY
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Ik gebruik een pas van Essent. Ik ga ervan uit dat die van andere aanbieders ook moeten werken...
Soulopoulos
Byron VIN:22999 & 151975
October 4, 2013
About the Model S fire
By Elon Musk, Chairman, Product Architect & CEO
Earlier this week, a Model S traveling at highway speed struck a large metal object, causing significant damage to the vehicle. A curved section that fell off a semi-trailer was recovered from the roadway near where the accident occurred and, according to the road crew that was on the scene, appears to be the culprit. The geometry of the object caused a powerful lever action as it went under the car, punching upward and impaling the Model S with a peak force on the order of 25 tons. Only a force of this magnitude would be strong enough to punch a 3 inch diameter hole through the quarter inch armor plate protecting the base of the vehicle.
The Model S owner was nonetheless able to exit the highway as instructed by the onboard alert system, bring the car to a stop and depart the vehicle without injury. A fire caused by the impact began in the front battery module – the battery pack has a total of 16 modules – but was contained to the front section of the car by internal firewalls within the pack. Vents built into the battery pack directed the flames down towards the road and away from the vehicle.
When the fire department arrived, they observed standard procedure, which was to gain access to the source of the fire by puncturing holes in the top of the battery's protective metal plate and applying water. For the Model S lithium-ion battery, it was correct to apply water (vs. dry chemical extinguisher), but not to puncture the metal firewall, as the newly created holes allowed the flames to then vent upwards into the front trunk section of the Model S. Nonetheless, a combination of water followed by dry chemical extinguisher quickly brought the fire to an end.
It is important to note that the fire in the battery was contained to a small section near the front by the internal firewalls built into the pack structure. At no point did fire enter the passenger compartment.
Had a conventional gasoline car encountered the same object on the highway, the result could have been far worse. A typical gasoline car only has a thin metal sheet protecting the underbody, leaving it vulnerable to destruction of the fuel supply lines or fuel tank, which causes a pool of gasoline to form and often burn the entire car to the ground. In contrast, the combustion energy of our battery pack is only about 10% of the energy contained in a gasoline tank and is divided into 16 modules with firewalls in between. As a consequence, the effective combustion potential is only about 1% that of the fuel in a comparable gasoline sedan.
The nationwide driving statistics make this very clear: there are 150,000 car fires per year according to the National Fire Protection Association, and Americans drive about 3 trillion miles per year according to the Department of Transportation. That equates to 1 vehicle fire for every 20 million miles driven, compared to 1 fire in over 100 million miles for Tesla. This means you are 5 times more likely to experience a fire in a conventional gasoline car than a Tesla!
For consumers concerned about fire risk, there should be absolutely zero doubt that it is safer to power a car with a battery than a large tank of highly flammable liquid.
— Elon
Below is our email correspondence with the Model S owner that experienced the fire, reprinted with his permission:
From: robert Carlson
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 12:53 PM
To: Jerome Guillen
Subject: carlson 0389
Mr. Guillen,
Thanks for the support. I completely agree with the assessment to date. I guess you can test for everything, but some other celestial bullet comes along and challenges your design. I agree that the car performed very well under such an extreme test. The batteries went through a controlled burn which the internet images really exaggerates. Anyway, I am still a big fan of your car and look forward to getting back into one. Justin offered a white loaner--thanks. I am also an investor and have to say that the response I am observing is really supportive of the future for electric vehicles. I was thinking this was bound to happen, just not to me. But now it is out there and probably gets a sigh of relief as a test and risk issue-this "doomsday" event has now been tested, and the design and engineering works.
rob carlson
On Oct 3, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Jerome Guillen wrote:
Dear Mr. Carlson:
I am the VP of sales and service for Tesla, reporting directly to Elon Musk, Tesla's CEO.
I am sorry to hear that you experienced a collision in your Model S 2 days ago. We are happy that the Model S performed in such a way that you were not injured in the accident and that nobody else was hurt.
I believe you have been in contact with Justin Samson, our service manager, since the accident. We are following this case extremely closely and we have sent a team of experts to review your vehicle. All indications are that your Model S drove over large, oddly-shaped metal object which impacted the leading edge of the vehicle's undercarriage and rotated into the underside of the vehicle ("pole vault" effect). This is a highly uncommon occurrence.
Based on our review thus far, we believe that the Model S performed as designed by limiting the resulting fire to the affected zones only. Given the significant intensity of the impact, which managed to pierce the 1/4 inch bottom plate (something that is extremely hard to do), the Model S energy containment functions operated correctly. In particular, the top cover of the battery provided a strong barrier and there was no apparent propagation of the fire into the cabin. This ensured cabin integrity and occupant safety, which remains our most important goal.
We very much appreciate your support, patience and understanding while we proceed with the investigation. Justin keeps me closely informed. Please feel free to contact me directly, if you have any question or concern.
Best regards,
Jerome Guillen I VP, WW sales and service
Tesla Motors | 3500 Deer Creek Road | Palo Alto, CA 94304
About the Model S fire
By Elon Musk, Chairman, Product Architect & CEO
Earlier this week, a Model S traveling at highway speed struck a large metal object, causing significant damage to the vehicle. A curved section that fell off a semi-trailer was recovered from the roadway near where the accident occurred and, according to the road crew that was on the scene, appears to be the culprit. The geometry of the object caused a powerful lever action as it went under the car, punching upward and impaling the Model S with a peak force on the order of 25 tons. Only a force of this magnitude would be strong enough to punch a 3 inch diameter hole through the quarter inch armor plate protecting the base of the vehicle.
The Model S owner was nonetheless able to exit the highway as instructed by the onboard alert system, bring the car to a stop and depart the vehicle without injury. A fire caused by the impact began in the front battery module – the battery pack has a total of 16 modules – but was contained to the front section of the car by internal firewalls within the pack. Vents built into the battery pack directed the flames down towards the road and away from the vehicle.
When the fire department arrived, they observed standard procedure, which was to gain access to the source of the fire by puncturing holes in the top of the battery's protective metal plate and applying water. For the Model S lithium-ion battery, it was correct to apply water (vs. dry chemical extinguisher), but not to puncture the metal firewall, as the newly created holes allowed the flames to then vent upwards into the front trunk section of the Model S. Nonetheless, a combination of water followed by dry chemical extinguisher quickly brought the fire to an end.
It is important to note that the fire in the battery was contained to a small section near the front by the internal firewalls built into the pack structure. At no point did fire enter the passenger compartment.
Had a conventional gasoline car encountered the same object on the highway, the result could have been far worse. A typical gasoline car only has a thin metal sheet protecting the underbody, leaving it vulnerable to destruction of the fuel supply lines or fuel tank, which causes a pool of gasoline to form and often burn the entire car to the ground. In contrast, the combustion energy of our battery pack is only about 10% of the energy contained in a gasoline tank and is divided into 16 modules with firewalls in between. As a consequence, the effective combustion potential is only about 1% that of the fuel in a comparable gasoline sedan.
The nationwide driving statistics make this very clear: there are 150,000 car fires per year according to the National Fire Protection Association, and Americans drive about 3 trillion miles per year according to the Department of Transportation. That equates to 1 vehicle fire for every 20 million miles driven, compared to 1 fire in over 100 million miles for Tesla. This means you are 5 times more likely to experience a fire in a conventional gasoline car than a Tesla!
For consumers concerned about fire risk, there should be absolutely zero doubt that it is safer to power a car with a battery than a large tank of highly flammable liquid.
— Elon
Below is our email correspondence with the Model S owner that experienced the fire, reprinted with his permission:
From: robert Carlson
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 12:53 PM
To: Jerome Guillen
Subject: carlson 0389
Mr. Guillen,
Thanks for the support. I completely agree with the assessment to date. I guess you can test for everything, but some other celestial bullet comes along and challenges your design. I agree that the car performed very well under such an extreme test. The batteries went through a controlled burn which the internet images really exaggerates. Anyway, I am still a big fan of your car and look forward to getting back into one. Justin offered a white loaner--thanks. I am also an investor and have to say that the response I am observing is really supportive of the future for electric vehicles. I was thinking this was bound to happen, just not to me. But now it is out there and probably gets a sigh of relief as a test and risk issue-this "doomsday" event has now been tested, and the design and engineering works.
rob carlson
On Oct 3, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Jerome Guillen wrote:
Dear Mr. Carlson:
I am the VP of sales and service for Tesla, reporting directly to Elon Musk, Tesla's CEO.
I am sorry to hear that you experienced a collision in your Model S 2 days ago. We are happy that the Model S performed in such a way that you were not injured in the accident and that nobody else was hurt.
I believe you have been in contact with Justin Samson, our service manager, since the accident. We are following this case extremely closely and we have sent a team of experts to review your vehicle. All indications are that your Model S drove over large, oddly-shaped metal object which impacted the leading edge of the vehicle's undercarriage and rotated into the underside of the vehicle ("pole vault" effect). This is a highly uncommon occurrence.
Based on our review thus far, we believe that the Model S performed as designed by limiting the resulting fire to the affected zones only. Given the significant intensity of the impact, which managed to pierce the 1/4 inch bottom plate (something that is extremely hard to do), the Model S energy containment functions operated correctly. In particular, the top cover of the battery provided a strong barrier and there was no apparent propagation of the fire into the cabin. This ensured cabin integrity and occupant safety, which remains our most important goal.
We very much appreciate your support, patience and understanding while we proceed with the investigation. Justin keeps me closely informed. Please feel free to contact me directly, if you have any question or concern.
Best regards,
Jerome Guillen I VP, WW sales and service
Tesla Motors | 3500 Deer Creek Road | Palo Alto, CA 94304
Om de boel centraal te houden heb ik een eigen topic voor de kabels gemaakt: Belgium and The Netherlands: Laadkabels en hun kwaliteit
Dat maakt het ook voor nieuwe bezoekers makkelijker om dit na te lezen ipv door 1000'en posts heen te moeten
Dat maakt het ook voor nieuwe bezoekers makkelijker om dit na te lezen ipv door 1000'en posts heen te moeten
Mark de Raaij
Model S Sig #411 EU
Ja, alleen vertelden die release notes mij niets nieuws.
De DAB+ ontvangst lijkt wel beter te zijn geworden, maar dat weet ik vanmiddag beter, zo 400km rijden naar het noorden van ons land.
Die van mij stond tijdens de update installeren ineens met zijn lichten aan op de oprit. Wel leuk gisteren toen het donker was.Ben hem ook aan 't installeren
gelden
Well-Known Member
Fred Odijk
Member
VIN20631 production complete. Precies volgens planning. Als New Motion nou eens met die offerte op de proppen kwam dan kon ik dat ook aftikken.
Er rijdt in Oud Beijerland al een paar weken een zwarte MS rond. Ook iemand van het forum?
Er rijdt in Oud Beijerland al een paar weken een zwarte MS rond. Ook iemand van het forum?
Mark de Raaij
Model S Sig #411 EU
Ik heb ook het idee dat DAB+ beter is, ik kan het straks ook testen 400km rijden heen en weer baar Maastricht.....
Verder iig nieuw de online manual volgens mij, de optie om de nieuwe slepende weer uit te zetten en volgens mij de talen voor de routebegeleiding.
Verder iig nieuw de online manual volgens mij, de optie om de nieuwe slepende weer uit te zetten en volgens mij de talen voor de routebegeleiding.
Rla
Member
Idd, toch een lichte verademing tov de klasieke merken. Tja, anderzijds zo moet het wel of TSLA zou toch wat meer onder druk komen staan. Ik versta ook de strategie om dit dan ook per mail naar iedereen te sturen. Zou nu nog beter zijn mochten ze een video maken met een soort 'digitale' reconstructie. Kan interessant zijn voor de eigenaars om te weten wat je moet doen in geval van... (natuurlijk heb je evengoed kans om de lotto te winnen ook).
Edi99
Egbert Dijkstra
Ik wil mijne nog niet installeren maar volgens mij kan je dat niet tegenhouden. Zie klokje staan voor de update...Ben hem ook aan 't installeren
Patrick Claerhout
Member
Iemand al een HD-Camera in zijn interieur opgehangen & kabels proper achter binnenbekleding kunnen geleiden? Zelf gedaan of niet?
In het officiële Teslaforum is daar een thread over: http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/dashboard-camera-install.
Zou dit ook wel willen, gezien mijn wagen buiten slaapt in oprit in drukke wijk.
Zou zonde zijn om wakker te worden en vast te stellen dat 1 of andere onverlaat 's nachts dacht een supertablet uit een wagen te kunnen halen en schade veroorzaakte. Met dergelijk cameraatje is dit niet te verhinderen, maar werkt mogelijk wel afschikkend.
In het officiële Teslaforum is daar een thread over: http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/dashboard-camera-install.
Zou dit ook wel willen, gezien mijn wagen buiten slaapt in oprit in drukke wijk.
Zou zonde zijn om wakker te worden en vast te stellen dat 1 of andere onverlaat 's nachts dacht een supertablet uit een wagen te kunnen halen en schade veroorzaakte. Met dergelijk cameraatje is dit niet te verhinderen, maar werkt mogelijk wel afschikkend.
LuckyLuke
Model S P90DL
Ik ben vandaag in Middelburg. Daar is dus geen MS te zien?
Die van mijn collega staat wel bij ons kantoor in een open parkeergarage. Ik ben inmiddels halverwege het land even 11kW aan het slurpen tijdens de lunch.
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