Electric Motorcycles

[domenick]

Agility has finally delivered its first Saietta R to a customer. Named as Mark Northwood, he may be a member here as he is a Roadster owner and mentioned posting on a Tesla forum (though, it could have been Tesla's, since I couldn't find anything here).

Anywho... feast your eyes.

 

[7racer]

For those of you interested in Brammo's they just announced two things.

1. 5 year battery warranty AND
2. FULL MSRP on trade in on a new Brammo!

Another new program? Brammo Trade-in

Brammo announces FIVE (5) year warranty on batteries!

 

[mhpr262]

Harley Davidson thinking about building an electric motorcycle:

Harley-Davidson to launch 500cc learner bike ... and maybe an electric?

 

[7racer]

holy crap this is sweet
Mission Motorcycles x Wilzig Racing Manor on Vimeo

 

[mhpr262]

Anywho... feast your eyes.

Good one ... as much as I love the idea of electric motorcycles I really do hope they bring out another version too, one that doesn't make the rider look like he is humping a combat droid from the StarWars prequels...

 

[JRP3]

Exactly my thoughts on the styling.

 

[cloroxbb]

I am going to get a 2013 Zero DS. My commute is very short, and it will be just a fun transportation everyday. Plus, it doesn't snow much here, so I can ride to work all year. Im psyched.

 

[7racer]

I am going to get a 2013 Zero DS. My commute is very short, and it will be just a fun transportation everyday. Plus, it doesn't snow much here, so I can ride to work all year. Im psyched.

Nice!! If you don't need that much range and want a bit of fun, did you look at the Empulse?

 

[cloroxbb]

Nice!! If you don't need that much range and want a bit of fun, did you look at the Empulse?

Yes, I looked at the Empulse. I actually WANT the lack of shifting. Plus, the Zero is a bit cheaper. If I end up getting the "itch" I may start a collection of bikes.

 

[cloroxbb]

Well, I finished the "first step" to getting my endorsement. Just passed my MSF course today and got my card. Tomorrow I will call the DMV in my home state and get the ball rolling

 

[7racer]

Yes, I looked at the Empulse. I actually WANT the lack of shifting. Plus, the Zero is a bit cheaper. If I end up getting the "itch" I may start a collection of bikes.

Lol understand. The shifting is actually not bad and pretty fun. Around town you can just leave it in one gear. Also on upshifts you don't even use the clutch.

I also did the school and thought it was a huge help. Next on the list is to take the Brammo out on the track for a Track day!!!

 

[cloroxbb]

Now that I have taken the class, I don't think shifting would be all that bad either, except the Brammo bikes cost even more than the Zero DS that I want. I don't think the wife is gonna go for that

 

[7racer]

true...must please the wife!

but I thought there was a comparo that the prices for the DS and Empulse (none R) where pretty similar?

 

[cloroxbb]

true...must please the wife!

but I thought there was a comparo that the prices for the DS and Empulse (none R) where pretty similar?

Actually yeah, I guess the Enertia Plus is only 10999, and is comparable to the Zero S and DS.

 

[thelastdeadmouse]

Actually yeah, I guess the Enertia Plus is only 10999, and is comparable to the Zero S and DS.

I wouldn't say the Enertia Plus is comparable to the S or DS. While the S and DS are more expensive, they also have a longer range and about 3 times the power. The Enertia Plus is more comparable to the Zero XU with the optional 5.7 kwh battery.

Zero XU 5.7	Enertia Plus
5.7 kwh battery	6.2 kwh battery
20 kw motor	13 kw motor
42 ft lbs of torque	29.5 ft lbs of torque
48 Miles @ 55mph	45 Miles @ 55 mph
$10490	$10995

I think all together the Enertia Plus isn't up to snuff with any of the 2013 Zero products, but its also an older design that's in need of a refresh at this point.

 

[cloroxbb]

I wouldn't say the Enertia Plus is comparable to the S or DS. While the S and DS are more expensive, they also have a longer range and about 3 times the power. The Enertia Plus is more comparable to the Zero XU with the optional 5.7 kwh battery.

Zero XU 5.7	Enertia Plus
5.7 kwh battery	6.2 kwh battery
20 kw motor	13 kw motor
42 ft lbs of torque	29.5 ft lbs of torque
48 Miles @ 55mph	45 Miles @ 55 mph
$10490	$10995

I think all together the Enertia Plus isn't up to snuff with any of the 2013 Zero products, but its also an older design that's in need of a refresh at this point.

Much better comparison, thanks.

 

[domenick]

The Zero S has a bit more range than the Empulse. It's even quicker on the track.
(Brammo does use nicer components and has better styling, though.)

 

[7racer]

The Zero S has a bit more range than the Empulse. It's even quicker on the track.
(Brammo does use nicer components and has better styling, though.)

I thought the Empulse was quicker?
2013 Brammo Empulse R vs Zero S ZF11.4 - YouTube

some cost analysis
Empulse versus Zero S cost breakdown

 

[domenick]

I thought the Empulse was quicker?
2013 Brammo Empulse R vs Zero S ZF11.4 - YouTube

I was going mostly by the results of the FIM eRoad Racing races.
The two Empulse TTX machines – race-prepared Empulse R's – lost to the Zeros in both races. Now, some of those Zero's were modified, (Kenyon Kluge used a larger controller, for instance, and I'm sure all the Zero's moved their footpegs up) but I'm pretty sure Ted Rich's was pretty much stock.

Here's the fastest lap times from the last race at Indianapolis.

14 Shane TURPIN Brammo EMPULSE RR 1'53.412

32 Eric BOSTROM Brammo EMPULSE RR 1'54.901

96 Kenyon KLUGE ZERO S 2'08.228

28 Ted RICH ZERO S 2'09.275

64 Jeremiah JOHNSON ZERO S 2'09.698

93 Shelina MOREDA BRAMMO EMPULSE TTX 2'10.326

24 Elaine CARPENTER ZERO S 2'14.285

8 Arthur KOWITZ BRAMMO EMPULSE TTX 2'17.176

 

[7racer]

I was going mostly by the results of the FIM eRoad Racing races.
The two Empulse TTX machines – race-prepared Empulse R's – lost to the Zeros in both races. Now, some of those Zero's were modified, (Kenyon Kluge used a larger controller, for instance, and I'm sure all the Zero's moved their footpegs up) but I'm pretty sure Ted Rich's was pretty much stock.

Here's the fastest lap times from the last race at Indianapolis.

14 Shane TURPIN Brammo EMPULSE RR 1'53.412

32 Eric BOSTROM Brammo EMPULSE RR 1'54.901

96 Kenyon KLUGE ZERO S 2'08.228

28 Ted RICH ZERO S 2'09.275

64 Jeremiah JOHNSON ZERO S 2'09.698

93 Shelina MOREDA BRAMMO EMPULSE TTX 2'10.326

24 Elaine CARPENTER ZERO S 2'14.285

8 Arthur KOWITZ BRAMMO EMPULSE TTX 2'17.176

Domenick,

Maybe I'm reading that wrong but isn't the Empulse posting faster times?

Plus if you compared the modified zeros. Can those be purchased? The TTX can be.