Flygskam (flight Shame)

[nwdiver]

Love the dedication. Choosing a 2 day train over a 4 hour flight. Trains are better anyway

 

[RubberToe]

‘Flygskam’ is the Swedish travel trend that could shake the global airline industry

I remember reading a story a while back from one of the scientists working on climate change modeling. The context was there was a big conference somewhere and his point was that there were all these people flying into the conference, and contributing to the problem they were discussing. In an interview with him, he said something to the effect that until "it was not viewed as normal to travel by airplane for unnecessary reasons", there would be no real change in the general mindset of attitudes toward flying. This is the first sign of that I have seen.

Contrast this with a recent N.Y. Times piece by a travel reviewer. The guy was trying to maximize his frequent flyer miles. In order to do that, he took advantage of some cheap fares to take unnecessary flights just to get to the next rung in the program. He even had a website describing how to game the system. I'm thinking: How is it even remotely OK to be flying around just to get more free flights. I should have commented when I read the article.

I'll try and find a link to the stories...

RT

P.S. Just waiting till the coffee shop opens.

 

[RubberToe]

Here are couple...

https://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2019/05/why-some-climate-scientists-are-saying-no-flying

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappen...colleagues-for-flying-to-conference-1.4442890

But what I'm trying to push for is that our house is on fire right now. The planet is on fire, it's flooding, there's fires. The effects of climate change are really obvious. I think that we need a cultural shift. We have to wake up as a society that fossil fuels is causing real harm.

And one way that we can do that, for people to get how serious this is, to start modelling change in our own lives and shifting what we view as normal in the society.

 

[nwdiver]

And one way that we can do that, for people to get how serious this is, to start modelling change in our own lives and shifting what we view as normal in the society.

Yeah... we're crazy spoiled. Even if we give up flying travel today is WAAAY better than it was not that long ago...

 

[SwedishAdvocate]

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Love the dedication. Choosing a 2 day train over a 4 hour flight. Trains are better anyway

Yeah...

She's really great.

 

[nwdiver]

This is amazing on so many levels...

Greta Thunberg to sail Atlantic for climate conferences

Can't think of a better way to cross the Atlantic

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

This is amazing on so many levels...

Greta Thunberg to sail Atlantic for climate conferences

Can't think of a better way to cross the Atlantic

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I beg to differ. Not only is flying much faster, transatlantic flights have become so much better since I started flying in 2005, and I once upgraded us to business class, which made the whole experience, a whole lot better, especially given the coincidence of a stupid 3 hour delay due to a refuelling mismatch between ground crew and plane.

It's such a shame about the environmental impacts.

But if you have the time to travel by ship, you can travel at relatively low cost on a freighter: eg
Maris Freighter Cruise and Travel Club -- Around the World Cargo Cruises

 

[nwdiver]

I beg to differ. Not only is flying much faster, transatlantic flights have become so much better since I started flying in 2005, and I once upgraded us to business class, which made the whole experience, a whole lot better, especially given the coincidence of a stupid 3 hour delay due to a refuelling mismatch between ground crew and plane.

It's such a shame about the environmental impacts.

But if you have the time to travel by ship, you can travel at relatively low cost on a freighter: eg
Maris Freighter Cruise and Travel Club -- Around the World Cargo Cruises

I'll never fly again unless Branson can get his biofuel scheme to produce sufficient volumes or some form of Power to gas from solar/wind. I'd be ok with taking passage on a cargo ship but IMO the sailing yacht would make for a better overall experience.

 

[SwedishAdvocate]

I beg to differ. Not only is flying much faster, transatlantic flights have become so much better since I started flying in 2005, and I once upgraded us to business class, which made the whole experience, a whole lot better, especially given the coincidence of a stupid 3 hour delay due to a refuelling mismatch between ground crew and plane.

It's such a shame about the environmental impacts. [My bold]

But if you have the time to travel by ship, you can travel at relatively low cost on a freighter: eg
Maris Freighter Cruise and Travel Club -- Around the World Cargo Cruises

Kind of impossible to get around the environmental impact though, isn't it?

And this sailing yacht also beats the freighter alternative.

So it seems to me that she made the right choice.

 

[S'toon]

Not too sure where to put this, don't know whether it deserves its own thread or not. I'll just put it here.
5 ways to make air travel greener

 

[SwedishAdvocate]

This song is inspired by Greta. IMO, I guess the lyrics isn't perfect. And there really isn't a proper music video for it.

But it's still pretty good. Especially if you crank up the volume.

 

[nwdiver]

Here's hoping...

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

Betteridge's Law applies: the answer is obviously no.

Hoping to be able to fly again some time in the fall. Should be vaccinated within the next two months, and hoping and expecting that a vaccine certificate will be enough to avoid quarantine.

 

[nwdiver]

Terrifying

 

[Brando]

How much processing times needed? the TSA inspections etc. Two hours at each end?
Does show me your papers now include all your shots?
Not sure how human race survived the 60s air travel. Or ship travel for a few hundred years.