SSedan
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To quote Jim Jefferies (again) "if your father rapes ya, you don't have to keep that"...
Guns are used for self defense more than abortion is used to get rid of babies conceived in rape.
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To quote Jim Jefferies (again) "if your father rapes ya, you don't have to keep that"...
Tell that to the family of the murder suicide in wealthy suburb town I live in that happen just the other night.
Stats do tell the story.
The same people that think they their whole family will never waiver. Or have mental illness or drugs or stress. Like to believe, not them, until it does.
Statistically it probably won’t happen to your family. But statistically you are safer without a gun in the house. Believe or kid yourself all you want.
Not true re suicide ... access to a gun in particular is a huge determining factor in whether folks come out the other side of a horrible depression or die ... I know it doesn’t make sense but it is true... it is one of several factors in higher completed suicide among veterans... crucially important to ask directly and help these folks if we can. Remember responsible gun owners suffer from depression too, so do their family members .... would be great to see the NRA get back to what they used to do.... promote safety and education rather than sending some eagle mascot out to schools .... it’s kind of like a pharmaceutical company spending 8 billion on advertising and 10 million on research and product develop .... except the medication they promote can occasionally kill the patient and also about 20-30 people as a side effect at a time.... I know what you are saying, but buttershrimp it is between me and my doctor if I need this AR-15 OxyContin prescription.... you can pry it from my cold dead hands..... which will be quite easy because we can now get a high capacity medication magazine that allows me to really defend myself against the tyranny of back pain ....If someone wants to commit suicide, or murder suicide, a gun isn't going to make them do it, it might be the tool they choose, or they might drive their Suburban off a cliff into the ocean. Don't see the left pushing for "high capacity vehicle bans".
How about opioid deaths much of the left wants to loosen restrictions on recreational drug use, drugs are killing folks at a much greater rate than guns, but there the answer is greater availability?
Far as the UK analogy, FL is a cesspool was there just yesterday, we are selective in where we go, we stay in a fairly well off retirement community, it can not be compared to most of the country, it is in no way representative. That said the UK is proof positive people will find another tool, knives.
So when you have an issue with NRA spending money on thing, how do you feel about Planned Parenthood who spends VASTLY more on political donations and is NOT a women's health organization but rather an abortion advocacy group and provider, and while making donations get tax dollars.
Responsible car owners and their families suffer depression too, don't blame the tool, yes guns are a very effective tool for suicide but if someone really wants to do that and isn't getting help they will find a way, the tool isn't the issue the mental health challenges are.
Suicide is a topic that has touched my family, I am not speaking from the outside.
To quote, yes even again, Jim Jefferies: “the great thing about Muskets, it gave you a lot of time to calm down”...If someone wants to commit suicide, or murder suicide, a gun isn't going to make them do it, it might be the tool they choose, or they might drive their Suburban off a cliff into the ocean.
Yeah, it's called pepper spray... It's way easier to use, it's safer, oh and she won't kill any innocent bystanders trying to use it...
Jeff
Good thinking. Tell your daughter it's your idea for her to bring pepper spray to a gun fight.
This is all been debated, so many times, if you don’t like guns, don’t get one. If you do, get one. The bottom line, is guns don’t kill people. PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!!!.
why not just remove the guns from the equasion that would save 30.000 lives in the USA alone each year
Mass killings are very rare, accounting for only 0.2 percent of homicides every year and approximately 1 percent of homicide victims.Only 12 percent of mass killings are mass public shootings.
Most mass killings are familicides (murders of family members or intimate partners) and felony-related killings (such as robberies gone awry or gang-related “turf battles”)
Although there has been a slight increase in the frequency of mass public shootings over the past few years, the rates are still similar to what the United States experienced in the 1980s and early 1990s.Over 90 percent of public mass shootings take place in “gun-free zones” where civilians are not permitted to carry firearms.
A complete ban on “assault weapons” will save very few lives: Six out of every 10 mass public shootings are carried out by handguns alone, while only one in 10 is committed with a rifle alone.
The average age of mass public shooters is 34, which means that increasing the minimum age for purchasing firearms would not target the main perpetrators of mass public shootings.
Few mass public shooters have used “high-capacity magazines,” and there is no evidence that the lethality of their attacks would have been affected by delays of two to four seconds to switch magazines. In fact, some of the largest mass shootings in U.S. history were carried out with “low-capacity” weapons:The Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 and injured 17 with two handguns, one of which had a 10-round magazine and the other a 15-round magazine. He simply brought 19 extra magazines.
Twenty-three people were killed and another 20 injured in a Killeen, Texas, cafeteria by a man with two 9mm handguns, capable of maximums of 15-round and 17-round magazines, respectively.
A mentally disturbed man armed with two handguns and a shotgun shot and killed 21 people in a San Ysidro McDonald’s and injured another 19. The handguns utilized 13-round and 20-round magazines, and the shotgun had a five-round capacity.
After adjusting for population differences, many other developed countries have worse problems with mass public shootings than the United States. There were 27 percent more casualties per capita from mass public shootings in the European Union than in the U.S. from 2009 to 2015.
In other countries, bombings, mass stabbings, and car attacks frequently kill more people than even the deadliest mass shootings in the United States. Consider the following:
The simple truth is, if mentally disturbed people want to kill other people, taking guns away from everyone does only one thing........it prevents people from being able to protect themselves and loved ones from mentally disturbed people. And don't kid yourself, most criminals are sociopaths and sociopaths are mentally disturbed.
- Spain (2004) — Bombing: 192 deaths, 2,050 injuries;
- Great Britain (2005) — Bombing: 52 deaths, 784 injuries;
- Japan (2008) — Car ramming and stabbing: seven deaths, 10 injuries;
- China (2010) — Shovel-loader: 11 deaths, 30 injuries;
- China (2014) — Car ramming: six deaths, 13 injuries;
- China (2014) — Mass stabbing: 31 deaths, 143 injuries;
- Germany (2015) — Plane crash: 150 deaths;
- Belgium (2016) — Bombing: 21 deaths, 180 injuries;
- France (2016) — Car ramming: 86 deaths, 434 injuries;
- Germany (2016) — Car ramming: 11 deaths, 56 injuries;
- Japan (2016) — Mass stabbing: 19 deaths, 45 injuries; and
- Great Britain (2017) — Bombing: 22 deaths, 250 injuries.
Good thinking. Tell your daughter it's your idea for her to bring pepper spray to a gun fight.
The simple truth is, if mentally disturbed people want to kill other people, taking guns away from everyone does only one thing........it prevents people from being able to protect themselves and loved ones from mentally disturbed people. And don't kid yourself, most criminals are sociopaths and sociopaths are mentally disturbed.
I'm going to put something out there and leave the forum and not respond because I have no illusions about anyone changing their mind. I am a physician and have been a supporter of gun control for many many years. I look at it as a public health issue. I acknowledge that rural Montana is a different planet than urban LA. I have had my finger in bullet holes to keep brain tissue from oozing out and know what the blood and vomit smells like.
I suggest that the United States, like many other "civilized" countries would be much better off if gun ownership were a privilege rather than a right. Yes, Authorities might decide that you might have to "qualify" to own a gun They might even restrict assault rifles or---god forbid---handguns. BUT, I assure you that, if your are responsible you will still be able to hunt, defend yourself, collect guns, and target shoot.
I t would take many generations to change our culture of violence but we would be better off for it. Do you really want to kill somebody? If you do kill someone, you will never be the same person that you are now.
Incorrect. Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution states that the role of Congress includes:In the US, the right to own and carry a gun has nothing to do with protecting your property, daughter or dog from an intruder. Its all about being able to put up a fight against a tyrannical government. The moment a government doesn't fear the people, the people become slaves of the government.