I wrote this statement:
TrevRex said:
The ability to correct the line of the Kia without disconnecting self steering ie say you see a pothole ahead that you will hit staying in the centre of the lane. Just steer around it then head back towards the centre and self steering reapplies. It was even possible to leave the system on all the time and have it apply itself any time you wanted ie around town etc. Also taking a racing line around sharper corners was especially nice to achieve I think or moving over pre-emptively to overtake large trucks then back to self steering in the centre of the lane. A great and confidence inspiring system I think.
Over in this thread I started:
Now I noticed someone had exported my statement into another thread via the alerts:
As I was curious to find out why my statement was exported I read the thread. Now the part of that thread that first got my attention was a quote from this NHTSA document:
The quote (see the bottom of the document) that really got my attention was:
"Peer Comparison Data gathered from peer IR letters helped ODI document the state of the L2 market in the United States, as well as each manufacturer’s approach to the development, design choices, deployment, and improvement of its systems. A comparison of Tesla’s design choices to those of L2 peers identified Tesla as an industry outlier in its approach to L2 technology by mismatching a weak driver engagement system with Autopilot’s permissive operating capabilities. Unlike peer L2 systems tested by ODI, Autopilot presented resistance when drivers attempted to provide manual steering inputs. Attempts by the human driver to adjust steering manually resulted in Autosteer deactivating. This design can discourage drivers’ involvement in the driving task. Other systems tested during the PE and EA investigation accommodated drivers’ steering by suspending lane centering assistance and then reactivating it without additional action by the driver. Notably, the term “Autopilot” does not imply an L2 assistance feature, but rather elicits the idea of drivers not being in control. This terminology may lead drivers to believe that the automation has greater capabilities than it does and invite drivers to overly trust the automation. Peer vehicles generally use more conservative terminology like “assist,” “sense,” or “team” to imply that the driver and automation are intended to work together, with the driver supervising the automation."
Now in case others don't know:
NHTSA National Highway Traffic Safety Administration a U.S Federal Government Agency
ODI Office of Defects Investigation
L2 Level 2 autonomy
L2 peers Car manufacturers like Kia or any others that use Level 2 autonomy other than Tesla ie Tesla's peers
PE Preliminary Evaluation
EA Engineering Analysis
Now I will be putting on my Design Engineer's hat, yes I am a Design Engineer, that has to consider Government regulations for the equipment I design and produce and try and keep my bias as a Tesla owner out of any more commentary I make on this subject.
I hope others can try to do the same ie keep your Tesla bias out of this thread and evaluate this scientifically.
I have to help some other fellow workers that I employ now but will try to get back later.
TrevRex said:
The ability to correct the line of the Kia without disconnecting self steering ie say you see a pothole ahead that you will hit staying in the centre of the lane. Just steer around it then head back towards the centre and self steering reapplies. It was even possible to leave the system on all the time and have it apply itself any time you wanted ie around town etc. Also taking a racing line around sharper corners was especially nice to achieve I think or moving over pre-emptively to overtake large trucks then back to self steering in the centre of the lane. A great and confidence inspiring system I think.
Over in this thread I started:
Kia EV6 GT Line AWD compared to my Tesla Model Y LR
For those interested I will post my comparison of the two EVs. I have now spent approx 2 hours driving plus quite a bit of research of the Kia EV6 recently, as I am very interested in getting another EV, so I think I have a little knowledge on the subject. Now both comparisons are AWD models...
teslamotorsclub.com
Now I noticed someone had exported my statement into another thread via the alerts:
FSD Steering wheel nag
Anyone here confirm that it’s going away? If so….why? It’s annoying yes but isn’t it a safety thing?
teslamotorsclub.com
As I was curious to find out why my statement was exported I read the thread. Now the part of that thread that first got my attention was a quote from this NHTSA document:
The quote (see the bottom of the document) that really got my attention was:
"Peer Comparison Data gathered from peer IR letters helped ODI document the state of the L2 market in the United States, as well as each manufacturer’s approach to the development, design choices, deployment, and improvement of its systems. A comparison of Tesla’s design choices to those of L2 peers identified Tesla as an industry outlier in its approach to L2 technology by mismatching a weak driver engagement system with Autopilot’s permissive operating capabilities. Unlike peer L2 systems tested by ODI, Autopilot presented resistance when drivers attempted to provide manual steering inputs. Attempts by the human driver to adjust steering manually resulted in Autosteer deactivating. This design can discourage drivers’ involvement in the driving task. Other systems tested during the PE and EA investigation accommodated drivers’ steering by suspending lane centering assistance and then reactivating it without additional action by the driver. Notably, the term “Autopilot” does not imply an L2 assistance feature, but rather elicits the idea of drivers not being in control. This terminology may lead drivers to believe that the automation has greater capabilities than it does and invite drivers to overly trust the automation. Peer vehicles generally use more conservative terminology like “assist,” “sense,” or “team” to imply that the driver and automation are intended to work together, with the driver supervising the automation."
Now in case others don't know:
NHTSA National Highway Traffic Safety Administration a U.S Federal Government Agency
ODI Office of Defects Investigation
L2 Level 2 autonomy
L2 peers Car manufacturers like Kia or any others that use Level 2 autonomy other than Tesla ie Tesla's peers
PE Preliminary Evaluation
EA Engineering Analysis
Now I will be putting on my Design Engineer's hat, yes I am a Design Engineer, that has to consider Government regulations for the equipment I design and produce and try and keep my bias as a Tesla owner out of any more commentary I make on this subject.
I hope others can try to do the same ie keep your Tesla bias out of this thread and evaluate this scientifically.
I have to help some other fellow workers that I employ now but will try to get back later.
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