Plaid brake issues

[petebrandt]

I want racing recently in my s plaid for the first time, speed ventures, AAA raceway fontana ca. After first lap brakes started to fade and got worse as they heated up, these brakes SUCK, anybody with same issue and anybody who have improved there brakes?
Thanks
Peter

 

[Duke846]

RB is looking to sponsor 3 track drives with the following qualification to test drive this Track Kit:

1. Minimum 3 years track experience.
2. Car must be a dedicated track car and is one of the listed American Muscle cars, plus GT-R and M5.
3. Rebuilding calipers at least once.

Qualified individual will

• Receive 30-50% discount on purchase.
• 100% warranty against any performance issue at any tracking condition as fast as you can run your Plaid on tracks
• If your brake task is determined to be above what this iron kit can handle, the CCB kit will be replaced at cost difference (100% credit on iron kit purchase).

Please contact us for further details if you are qualified and interested.

Why don’t you use your Plaid?
Ohh that’s probably because you don’t have one.
I own a Tesla with track mode. Wouldn’t put your stuff on my Tesla even if you paid me to!!!

 

[MountainPass]

Hi Everyone,

Here is the big brake kit we were talking about. In the flesh, not just some drawings We actually just mocked them up earlier today.

The rotor is 20mm larger in diameter than stock, and 1mm thicker. The rotor is also 4.4lbs lighter than the OEM rotor.

This is a prototype that we'll be testing in the coming days. As promised!

And a picture from the TeamPGR Plaid that we have here to do development on testing at TMP earlier this week, I would say it looks the part!

 

[RB_PB]

RB is looking to sponsor 3 track drives with the following qualification to test drive this Track Kit:

1. Minimum 3 years track experience.
2. Car must be a dedicated track car and is one of the listed American Muscle cars, plus GT-R and M5.
3. Rebuilding calipers at least once.

Qualified individual will

• Receive 30-50% discount on purchase.
• 100% warranty against any performance issue at any tracking condition as fast as you can run your Plaid on tracks
• If your brake task is determined to be above what this iron kit can handle, the CCB kit will be replaced at cost difference (100% credit on iron kit purchase).

Please contact us for further details if you are qualified and interested.

 

[URBAN LEGEND]

This forum certainly needs more healthy, unbiased, and quality posts like this one - Providing an overall view on what a Plaid owner should be looking at "based on their own needs" and why.

Anyone deserves to express his opinion but NO ONE should attempt to use it whether it's a "true experience" or "fabricated story" to override or mislead on others in this community. Especially for a vehicle not only is too heavy but so fast that can be considered as a moving bomb if a driver (no or little track experience) is misled.

Rather than using "TRUST ME", let's "TRUST NUMBERS" because the number don't lie. And learn how to respect others opinion and post responsibly - Remember this is a forum not your classroom.

The forum Admin is being informed to watch for any misleading/unsubstantiated posts.

Warren-RB

So trust the science?

 

[razh]

I don’t think anyone is surprised…

Was regen on or off out of curiosity? In the earlier models regen had to be turned off or else the pack overheated after a few laps.

Check out unplugged performance if you want to make it track worthy

 

[ThomasD]

At least you are beating the BMW

 

[URBAN LEGEND]

These brakes need improvement. I don’t get confidence with these brakes. I’ll take some CCBSs. If not get with BMW M and use whatever they use. I have a 20 X3M Competition with steel brakes and the Plaid can’t touch them. I am fully confident on the BMW brakes. Plaid? Not so much.

 

[RB_PB]

Complete brake upgrade option for Plaid:

Standard iron brakes:

ROTOR, PAD, BRAKE KIT - SELECT VEHICLE - TESLA - MODEL S PLAID & LR (2021+) - RB Performance Brakes

racingbrake.com

Carbon ceramic brakes:

CARBON CERAMIC BRAKE - SELECT VEHICLE - ROTOR & SYSTEM - TESLA - MODEL S: PLAID - LR (2021+) - RB Performance Brakes

racingbrake.com

The BBK is developed for dedicated tracking or hardcore competition racing with 420x34/390x28mm rotors (both iron and CCB).

Front kit is equipped with RB6L track duty calipers, same as our offer for OE/Brembo "direct replacement*" caliper upgrade for Nissan GTR, Porsche 911, McLaren (570S/720S), Mustang GT350/GT500

*Direct mount to OE spindle w/o using bracket or adapters.

 

[Jameslook]

Turns out the tration control uses the brakes so they heat up faster the harder you corner. Sucks for sure.

 

[maximizese]

I'm surprised they faded after the first lap. I know it's a heavy car, but how hard were you pushing it? The heaviest car I've tracked was only 3,200 lbs (about 1,500 lbs lighter than the Plaid) and try to stay below 80% of the limit and typically run for 20-30 minutes per session. If the brake fade is as bad as you state, I would look into larger rotors, pads and fluid that tolerate a higher temp, and ductwork. I would also start keeping data of braking distance and taking temperatures with an IR gun. Do you think the brake fluid temp got close to the limit? Sounds like you ought to talk to some of the R&D folks at Unplugged since they probably have the most data.

 

[Darmie]

Turns out the tration control uses the brakes so they heat up faster the harder you corner. Sucks for sure.

Well this answers the question why are the brakes so bad on the Plaid. Nothing new, they must be very aggressive with braking though. I had a Fiesta ST years ago found out Ford was using this to combat the torque steer. They called it torque vectoring.

Ford Torque Vectoring Control | TC Harrison Ford

The Ford Torque Vectoring Control balances power between front wheels to suit conditions and road surfaces. Find out more at TC Harrison Ford

www.tch.co.uk

They also used braking technology for the rear to help with rotation.

 

[Darmie]

Complete brake upgrade option for Plaid:

Standard iron brakes:

ROTOR, PAD, BRAKE KIT - SELECT VEHICLE - TESLA - MODEL S PLAID & LR (2021+) - RB Performance Brakes

racingbrake.com

WOW they are proud of those pads. I think it's just been a while since I purchased performance brakes.

 

[RB_PB]

The vehicle weight and speed of Plaid is believed to be a true test piece of whose brake kits can take up the challenge on race tracks.

Name your brands:

 

[Brad65ford]

Not purchasing anything till there is a review after someone tracks these.

 

[RB_PB]

According to the earlier (Sept 9) media the Plaid "Production Car" broke Nürburgring record, but in the recent media (Oct. 14) it disclosed a "Track Pack" will be available to break its own record. (or to correct the brake issue?)

Since it never be logical for any company that can be so desperately to break it's own record within one month, so only the latter assumption can be true.

 

[mkspeedr]

I would love to see some reviews. I think the seats and the brakes are the only two things I would like to upgrade.

 

[pabla]

The track pack is coming, I posted a thread a while back and on the parts catalogue there was an option for 20" tires that were 305 in the rear hinting to that becoming an option soon. I am sure Tesla will at least add bigger better brakes. When the track pack is released no one knows yet

 

[TessP100D]

WOW they are proud of those pads. I think it's just been a while since I purchased performance brakes.

Slippery slope.

 

[TessP100D]

I would love to see some reviews. I think the seats and the brakes are the only two things I would like to upgrade.

As your photo suggests, there is a lot more to racing that a seat and brakes.