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I am amazed that there is as little semi coverage as there is, these things have been on the road for years, and yet we get maybe a couple of times a year someone sees one and captures it on their phone. The guys who drive them may be forbidden from posting about their experiences but surely they have friends who hear all about them. And surely there are people who work at the facilities that are not covered by the NDA the drivers have to sign (assuming it's not just a Tesla thing) that could be walking by the MegaCharger and deciding it would be cool to take detailed photos of the charger and of the trucks charging...

Tesla seems OK with us SEEING them in public, but we still can't talk about them in public?

 
I am amazed that there is as little semi coverage as there is, these things have been on the road for years, and yet we get maybe a couple of times a year someone sees one and captures it on their phone. The guys who drive them may be forbidden from posting about their experiences but surely they have friends who hear all about them. And surely there are people who work at the facilities that are not covered by the NDA the drivers have to sign (assuming it's not just a Tesla thing) that could be walking by the MegaCharger and deciding it would be cool to take detailed photos of the charger and of the trucks charging...

Tesla seems OK with us SEEING them in public, but we still can't talk about them in public?

Here’s some Semi coverage for ya. Interesting he claims there are three motors but now just one per axle on all three axles.

 
Don’t get hopes up on convoy mode having any impact for years. 90% of trucking is local. Local is what the semi can do. Convoy mode is meaningless in local areas.

It is something brought up for gods know why. Unlike normal people any accident involving an fsd truck is going to be huge liability. Long haul is a very niche market.

Convoy mode may be more useful in Europe where trucks carry freight long distances due to lack of freight trains. Not sure on that but I could see it.
 
The potential impact of the Tesla Semi is hard to describe to those without a background understanding of the trucking industry. It's huge, just huge. First off, the truck industry is small, a few million units are on the road. Of those 90% are local routes meaning they are home for dinner or breakfast. Tesla Semi competes in that space, local rigs. The range is more than adequate for those jobs. The performance, if delivered as described, is superior for many users. Fuel costs are a huge driver for truckers- they can spend $300-500 a day for diesel.

So we have a small industry with an outsize impact from each single unit produced. Fuel costs goes from almost a dollar a mile to $0.10 per mile. The trucks are not more expensive than ICE trucks. The synergy with Megapack installations and other energy products is huge. Unit sales in the industry are usually less than 200k per year, sometimes much less. So the 50k/year run rate will take out 50/200 (10% being long haul) of the total US fleet. That would be far more of the market than we have in the managed to replace in over a decade of EV production focused on retail cars. Each year having an impact similar to removing over 2mln automobiles.

The Semi is the killer save the earth, create unit synergy with Tesla Energy, huge scale potential business product. I think the CT will be successful but frankly I fear it will be a 3rd or 4th car for many and will in fact due little to reduce global warming. To save the earth and make money- the Tesla Semi.

There are risks and issues= reliability is huge and Tesla has to do far more trouble shooting with a class 8 truck than a car. If a car breaks someone is late for dinner. If a truck breaks it can not only kill others but supply chains are disrupted and people who make money managing logistics notice. They need to work and work mostly flawlessly. So the first clients will all be beta testers. That knowledge incorporated into build processes before the main assembly plant is completed next year. Very cautious and well done. It will be 2026 before we really see Semi hitting it's stride but as soon as orders open back up we'll buy 2.
 
Let me be more clear on the impact. Within 2 years of Tesla semi hitting full production (50k units annually) the diesel/gas market in the USA will invert (today diesel usually costs much more than gas/petrol - it will become much less expensive) and the USA refineries will have to start exporting diesel in order to keep refining oil. It's going to shake the oil industry. Every barrel of oil produces a wide variety of products and each product has a home but if you eliminate the market for 25% of the barrel you destroy the economics of refining anything. The semi is going to be huge!
 
"As noted by CEO Elon Musk during the Semi’s first delivery event, after all, trucks comprise just 1% of all vehicles on US roads, but they are responsible for 20% of all US vehicle emissions and 36% of all US vehicle particulate emissions. It is then in everyone’s best interest to change the status quo."

In case people get tired of waiting 2 years for NV facility to come online just remember what this impacts. We are going after 1% of the vehicle market and really 1/2 of that in the current iteration. The impact on the environment will be huge.