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It is not yet posted on supercharge.info, but according to the very reliable Norwegian tu.no (technical, weekly magazine), the first 250 kW supercharger stalls are now online in Norway. I believe these are the first v3 stalls on the European mainland (while still none in the EU),

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Seems to be correct, although there's a lot under construction. Tesla finally seems to be switching to V3 for Europe. Right before they build the Icelandic network, yeay! :)

BTW, Bulgaria is now part of the European network :)

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I'm not pretending I understand this but Italy is +13%, Russia +10% and many other European markets anywhere from 6-8%.

I should probably go back to playing poker instead of trying to understand markets.

Don't treat markets as a poker game, except with money that you're okay with losing. Take a long-term perspective, and hedge against events that you're uncomfortable with.

You can leverage your long-term plays - I certainly do - but the short-term market is a casino. Been there, done that, not doing it again except for the occasional lottery ticket.
 
Don't treat markets as a poker game, except with money that you're okay with losing.

Now someone is telling me this :)

Funnily enough there's an important factor in Poker called variance. It's basically the ability to understand that even if you are a long term winning player and playing correctly you will loose for long stretches of time. Not the same but also not totally different from how Tesla stock feels right now.

The good thing though is that if you play long enough variance mostly evens out.
 
TSLA is going to flow with the macros until this is over, I believe, so discussing the stimulus package is essential to Tesla right now

In the context that was written, I agree that TSLA will "flow with the macros" but I'm taking exception to the "until this is over" part.

I'm of the opinion that while Coronavirus will likely depress markets for some time, good TSLA news is likely to come and will cause TSLA to break from the macros. Of course the flip-side also holds true, bad TSLA news, for example a halt to production, etc., would cause TSLA to break from the macros to the downside. But TSLA is the future and I think it will lead the market out of this storm.

History is full of examples of companies with fast-growing revenues and profits bucking the tide in extended market downturns and TSLA has the necessary potential growth to do just that.
 
I have to admit I'll be disappointed if we don't get a string of tesla or elon tweets on the day that model Y rolls out. It costs them nothing to make a bit of a song-and-dance that YES, their new model car has finally got into the hands of excited customers. There is 'we don't advertise' and then there is 'we pretend we don't exist'. I was expecting *some* fireworks around model Y sales.
 
Btw., futures indices limit-up halt in place, triggered by the +5% rise.
Regular pre-market trading of AAPL (biggest component of Nasdaq) suggests more rise expected after the open, it's at +7% currently.
Not sure if the gain will stick for the rest of the day, but rule of thumb is not to sell during big down day like yesterday, especially when panic level is at an extreme level. Those who sold shares yesterday should have picked a different day to sell. In contrary, I scooped up some TSLA, some S&P 500 index (my 401k does not allow individual stocks) and other shares such as J&J and BA. BA cap was about 80B yesterday, unheard of. BA SP will rise again once 737-MAX re-certification is complete and back in the sky in a few months.
 
Long story short, while I fully believe the company and even the stock will go back to growth once the dust settles, I think the next few months are super uncertain.

I've got news for you, the "next few months" are always super uncertain. Because you don't know what's going to happen next. Last December we hadn't even heard of Coronavirus and yet the future was still super uncertain. Now we have heard of it, and we know it's a problem, the future is not any more uncertain. Uncertainty is about what we DON'T know, not what we DO know.

I know most of us are in the buy and hold camp here, but these are not normal times. So I'd like to hear some thoughts for a reality check here. Am I being rational in light of current events, or did I let the fear of this pandemic get to me?

Get back to me in a year and we can discuss. ;)
 
So I understand everyone has their own risk tolerance level. I am a long and a bull, accumulating since 2013 and so I am still very happy with my returns. I have also burned myself a few times trying to time the market, so I was on a buy and hold strategy.

However... I am actually thinking about selling today with this slight green shade and going all cash for a while.

I am conflicted of course. There are few short term positives for Tesla right now, like Model Y deliveries, a possibly OK to good Q1 (better than what the Street expects) even with Corona impact and then later possibly announcing new batteries once again leapfrogging the industry by half a decade or more. But, this health crisis and the stock market crash will still probably get worse before it gets better. (Some people I respect on this forum, as well as the likes of Tesla analysts like Rob Maurer and investor Chamath Palihapitiya seem to be of this opinion too).

Even as we go into a recovery phase from the virus, the impact on the economy may be lasting, possibly impacting Q2 and beyond for Tesla. Additionally, there could production shutdowns due to health concerns or supply chain disruptions, not mentioning any unexpected shocks like Elon or world leaders getting sick. Not that I don't expect them to recover, the psychological effect would be huge though.

Long story short, while I fully believe the company and even the stock will go back to growth once the dust settles, I think the next few months are super uncertain.

I know most of us are in the buy and hold camp here, but these are not normal times. So I'd like to hear some thoughts for a reality check here. Am I being rational in light of current events, or did I let the fear of this pandemic get to me?

To answer your question, I have been long on 1400 shares at around $35 cost since early 2013. These shares are in a taxable account for which if I sold any, there would be 20% tax. I'm planning on holding those through this mess and onwards for some years. in my non-taxable IRA account I had 800 shares at average $200. I have sold this down to 100 shares at $8xx, $7xx, all this selling was before the Covid-19 scare. I still have 100 shares in the IRA account. I can't decide what to do with them. Maybe sell 50 at $600+ today. Keep the other 50 in case we go higher $600's or $700

Curt having bailed out is probably what hit my gut hardest of anything here lately. Damn, I wish Curt had held on just so I could feel better.
 
Simply remember that single person who sells is hoping they can time the bottom to jump back in. And not a single one of them has the ability to know in advance whether they're seeing a false bottom. All will be tempted to buy, but at the same time, to wait to see if it's really the bottom. Meanwhile, the market will gap down and up dramatically at times, preventing one from rapidly changing their mind in response to news; the algobots will get to react to the news before anyone else does.

So, caution is advised.
Damn, you make too much sense. Ok, I'll hold on. Post of the day Karen.