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TSLA Market Action: 2018 Investor Roundtable

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Andrew Left and Chanos
Walked on a mile or so,
And then they rested on a rock
Conveniently low:
And all the SA bears stood
And waited in a row.

"The time has come," Andrew Left said,
"To talk of many things:
Of factories--and batteries--
Of CEOs--and kings--
And why the stock is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."

"But wait a bit," SA bears cried,
"Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And all of us are fat!"
"No hurry!" said Jim Chanos
They thanked him much for that.

"A loaf of bread," Andrew Left said,
"Is what we chiefly need:
Pepper and vinegar besides
Are very good indeed--
Now if you're ready, SA bears dear,
We can begin to feed."

"But not on us!" SA bears cried,
Turning a little blue.
"After such kindness, that would be
A dismal thing to do!"
"The night is fine," Andrew Left said.
"Do you admire the view?

...

"I weep for you," Andrew Left said:
"I deeply sympathize."
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those of the largest size,
Holding his pocket-handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes.

"O SA bears," said Jim Chanos,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one.
 
I'm down to just 8 TSLA margin positions now, just jumped out of 1 at a £92 profit on investing just about £1k for 6 days, so 9% profit in 6 days.. I'm happy with that.
Pity that I still have 8 more (1 now also in profit, 7 very much not...) but now I have less in play I am prepared to hang on for longer and get much bigger profits.

For me its less about making money.... more about making mark spiegel lose some.
 
With the settlement they are working out he can cover his short and make up for the losses with the settlement. He then takes that money and buys shares. Double positive whammy for him.....

Remember that post a while ago I made about who is winning at investing in TSLA. Pretty much everyone except weak longs..... well and retail shorts, they are going to end up with their underwear so far up their.......
 
With the settlement they are working out he can cover his short and make up for the losses with the settlement. He then takes that money and buys shares. Double positive whammy for him.....

Remember that post a while ago I made about who is winning at investing in TSLA. Pretty much everyone except weak longs..... well and retail shorts, they are going to end up with their underwear so far up their.......

Don’t forget the 40mil the SEC will use the fines collected to make injured “Investors” whole. Their gonna tap that too.

Fire Away!
 
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I think they may also be trying to water down any surprise. Now if TSLA has a major beat it will be, “See we already expected that.”

So as I tried to argue it out in my reply to @KarenRei, an earnings report with good cash flow data is much harder to hide from Wall Street specialists who are on the lookout for exactly such an opportunity of the next Apple or Amazon.

It goes like this: if analysts upgrade their cash flow expectations, then they automatically upgrade the value of TSLA: the value of a company is largely the sum of its future cash flow. It doesn't matter whether it's a 'beat' or not - valuation goes up significantly as does cash flow.

My (perhaps naive) expectation would be that no amount of FUD or obfuscation is going to keep the money managers out of TSLA after Q3 but after Q4 the latest. They are good at seeing through obfuscation: it's usually the earnings reports and the management of firms that obfuscates, but in this case it's the self-serving FUD of short sellers and competitors.

This is the moment Tesla changes from a "story stock" with a convincing future (but exposed to FUD and uncertainty) into a "cold hard cash stock" (much more robust against FUD as long as the cash keeps flowing) where everyone can see the writing on the wall - even shorts.

At least that's my expectation. And as the tune changes on Wall Street, the business press will follow - and then the high-tech press, and finally the general press.

In a couple of months business press articles might be about "Tesla's cash storage hell":

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usually it’s 5pm edt
2pm pac
Looks like they moved it back 1:30 to 15:30 PDT. Hmm.

I'm long again now, added at 280 and 285$. Going to have my finger on the sell button tomorrow though in the AH for sure. We'll see. That call spread I rec'd late last week is looking SWEET! at the moment, hopefully, someone jumped on it.
 
I suspect everyone is reading too much into the early earnings report. I wouldn't be surprised if Elon was simply like "this Wednesday fits my schedule the best, let's do it then".

Also, Tesla has been very restrained lately about tipping their hand on Q3 results (e.g. there was no re-affirmation of profit in the deliveries report). I doubt they take a restrained stance like that, and then try to send a positive message now.

Nice to see Andrew Left's reversal though. If nothing else, it'll force all the other short sellers on the defensive. The next time Chanos is on the air, the host is going to bring this up.
 
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Looks like they moved it back 1:30 to 15:30 PDT. Hmm.

I'm long again now, added at 280 and 285$. Going to have my finger on the sell button tomorrow though in the AH for sure. We'll see. That call spread I rec'd late last week is looking SWEET! at the moment, hopefully, someone jumped on it.

wondering how long to hold the feb 340c
avg price 16.74.
something tells me i should keep them
 
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