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MitchJi with all due respects - why do you think we are going to drop? Any reasons?

My take, is that as long as the tax reform bill is in the works, the overall market trend is going to continue to be Bullish. Per Paul Ryan TownHall(like 2 days back), they still gonna try to pass it by end of year. (&trend is your friend)

The other Macro event for this week is the Fed meeting in Jackson Hole, but I think market already aligned for that.

cheers!!
1. Because of our crystal ball.
2. Because two traders who I respect a lot agree. One in particular has three or four opinions that in total are amazingly in agreement with our own opinion. Of course that could be a series of coincidences.

You are completely discounting (one example) the potential impact of two nut cases who are both in control of nuclear weapons.


So still highly speculative, definitely not an advice etc.
 
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Fair enough ...
Nov -Dec 16, I sold 40-45% of my Portfolio for similar reasons, (all in Short term Bonds and MM funds & 20-25% is still is) ... So one part of me is also waiting for the dip ...
But even as I watched, markets kept going up ..
 
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I do it a little differently: sell OTM puts and sometimes they get assigned. with those shares, i sell OTM calls, and a little farther out -- usually with expirations before end-of-quarter deliveries are announced. but yeah, if any of them don't get exercised then wash/repeat.

i am comfortable with owning a little extra TSLA on margin, so i tend to sell more puts than calls.
Yes, I also do OTM puts with expirations about six weeks out. It's amazing the time value on both calls and puts.
 
Selling DITM puts -- not *too* far out -- is an excellent way to acquire stock at a discount when the time value on options is high, as it is on TSLA right now.

Only occasionally does the stock skyrocket up past your strike price -- that's the risk, then you don't get any stock. You still got the premium.

I'd be doing this more if my position wasn't already over my planned "don't add any more" position size. I did a *lot* of it back in November.
 
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Selling DITM puts -- not *too* far out -- is an excellent way to acquire stock at a discount when the time value on options is high, as it is on TSLA right now.

Only occasionally does the stock skyrocket up past your strike price -- that's the risk, then you don't get any stock. You still got the premium.

I'd be doing this more if my position wasn't already over my planned "don't add any more" position size. I did a *lot* of it back in November.

How much capital does this strategy tie up?

Wouldn't it be better if this capital was invested in stock with 2% margin even if at $10-20 per share higher prices?
 
Selling DITM puts -- not *too* far out -- is an excellent way to acquire stock at a discount when the time value on options is high, as it is on TSLA right now.

Only occasionally does the stock skyrocket up past your strike price -- that's the risk, then you don't get any stock. You still got the premium.

I'd be doing this more if my position wasn't already over my planned "don't add any more" position size. I did a *lot* of it back in November.

Thanks & Ditto for Selling not too far out puts.(DITM) - Scalped Gains multiple times :)

Rather than just buy/sell one side, after some more reading, I thing the strategy to consider is "Synthetic Long". Buy a Call and Sell a Put at the same time. -- thats what I ended up doing yesterday. Bought 260 Call (-117) and sold a 400 Put(+88) when SP around 351.


Note: Not trading on margins at all, and will not (@ my current proficiency)
 
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How much capital does this strategy tie up?

To be clear here: you're asking me about selling ITM puts for the purpose of buying stock.

(As opposed to selling OTM puts for the purpose of collecting premium and letting them expire, which I also do, and a strategy which has a substantially different profile.)

If you're very conservative, it ties up exactly the same amount of capital you would use to buy the stock at the (strike price - premium).

For the more daring, you can actually do this using only margin capacity -- if you have enough margin capacity to buy the stock at the strike price, you can sell the put now, collect the premium in cash, and the brokerage will let you hold the position until execution. Most interestingly, *you don't pay any margin interest* -- it takes up margin capacity but doesn't actually count as a loan so there's no interest.

Important to remember, when selling options they give you cash up front. Like getting an insurance premium. My put selling has actually been generating something very akin to insurance "float" -- allowing me to have more than 100% invested without paying any margin loans.

Because the time value on the options is *sky high* right now the discount you get is quite spectacular.

Wouldn't it be better if this capital was invested in stock with 2% margin even if at $10-20 per share higher prices?

Nope. Unless you are worried about the risk of the stock prices running up above your strike price and the option expiring. That's a very real risk. Since you think TSLA is going to be at $600 next week :) you wouldn't want to take that risk. If you think the stock runup won't happen before a given date, you can pull off the purchase through put sales, though.

I should emphasize that most of these options transactions are only significantly profitable because TSLA trades *very* weirdly. The time value on the options is through the roof. On most stocks it's not large enough to be significant.
 
Rather than just buy/sell one side, after some more reading, I thing the strategy to consider is "Synthetic Long". Buy a Call and Sell a Put at the same time. -- thats what I ended up doing yesterday. Bought 260 Call (-117) and sold a 400 Put(+88) when SP around 351.

Watch out for the US tax treatment of synthetic longs -- something called Section 1260 of the Internal Revenue Code. It bit me. It applies punitive tax rates if your synthetic long converts to a real long through execution: first it causes you to lose long-term capital gains treatment, and then it charges you "interest" at punitive rates on the short-term capital gains taxes you didn't pay in the first year because you didn't sell the position in the first year.

It becomes critical to get out of the synthetic long position entirely while it's short-term, or you get an accounting nightmare *and* pay more taxes than you need to. While getting out of it, you may trip over the wash-sale loss rules and the first-in-first-out rules. :-(

This is why I'm sticking to one-sided positions now. :-(

I think you should be OK because you don't have a true synthetic long: a true synthetic long has the same strike price on the put and the call. But this is not accounting advice and is not tax advice!
 
Because the time value on the options is *sky high* right now the discount you get is quite spectacular.

Let's put some specifics around this. What's your estimate of implied volatility on LEAPs and do you think this is at the higher end of historical range? If one expects SP to increase a higher rate going forward than it did in the past, some of the higher implied volatility may be justified.
 
Let's put some specifics around this. What's your estimate of implied volatility on LEAPs and do you think this is at the higher end of historical range? If one expects SP to increase a higher rate going forward than it did in the past, some of the higher implied volatility may be justified.

Actually, the IV's a bit low right now. Much better deals were available in July. (The IV dropped very suddenly at the beginning of August.) But the thing is, if you're selling puts for the purpose of buying stock, and you have an independent valuation metric for the stock, Black-Scholes is an invalid valuation model for the options. That's what gives you the advantage against people who are trading options with a Black-Scholes model.
 
FWIW made a mouse nuts purchase at $340.25. Could not easily follow Mitch's kind recommendation to get J19s at $340 bet when stock goes to $330 since our wealth manager has no expertise in options--me too.
IMO LEAPS's buying decisions should depend mainly on understanding the SP, not on in depth understanding of options. You only need to understand four things about buying call options to make a decision:
1. If the SP rises substantially between the time of your purchase and the time when the options expire you can make a killing.

2. If the SP does not rise substantially between the time of your purchase and the time when the options expire you can lose 100% of the money you used to buy the options.

3. You need to decide which options expiration date to purchase. It's clear from the statements above on timing that the more time remaining until the options expire the safer the purchase. The longest term options that are available now expire on January 18, 2019 (aka J19 LEAPS). In November Jan 2020 options become a available.

4. You need to decide which strike price to buy. Lower is safer.

All of this is explained in my earlier post (excerpts below). If you have any questions either about choosing a strike price or anything else please call me):
TSLA Trading Strategies

I bought some J19's for $19.50 each when the SP was $183. The J19 strike price of $240 I bought on Nov 14 for about $19.50 ($1,950 per contract), when the SP was $183 are worth $31.90 ($3,190 per contract) today (a 64% gain) Dec 24 with an SP of $213.30 (a 16% gain).

Which means that if the SP rises you can make a killing. It also means that buying LEAPS's when the SP is low is very very important.

LEAPS's buying decisions should depend mainly on understanding the SP, not on in depth understanding of options:
I agree with that as excellent general advice for trading options. But IMO that and particularly most of the rest of your post is irrelevant if what he want's is advice on buying J2019 LEAPS's now (while the SP is below or close to ~$200). For that he might want to consider the following recommendations:

IMO the main consideration for buying LEAPS's should have very little to do with understanding options. Mainly you need to be extremely confident that at least 1-10 month's (6-10 is better) before the January 2019 expiration date that the SP will increase enough that you will make a substantial profit. I believe that now is an excellent time for the following reason. If the following belief turns out to be correct you should definitely buy some LEAPS's:
I strongly believe that by November 2017-September 2018 (almost a full year later than their goal) Tesla will be profitably producing M3's at a rate of at least 7k per week. When that happens I believe that the SP will rise to at least $300.
 
Buying 4 J19 $350's when the SP is about $320:
TSLA-FourJ19-$350-$46.6_SPabout$320.jpg

Results selling July 16, 2018 if the SP is $404 (which I believe is conservative) yields a profit of about $11k:
TSLA-FourJ19-$350BuySP$320SellSP$404Results.jpg

An SP of $450 on the same day yields a profit of about $25k.
 
Attention @luvb2b and @neroden

Twice I tried (TD Ameritrade) limit orders selling calls using the "bid" price for the limit. Both times I got very quick fills. On one order I got over the bid price and one order filled at the "bid" price. I stopped trying that at that point because that was the first call I've sold in years for less than (grumble) the (ask price - bid price/2 + bid price). The only times that I intend to do this again is with very small spreads.

I currently have two methods for detecting a "top" for selling options. One is my wife's intuition, which would have worked at ~$380 if I had listened. The second method is based on what I'll call Jesse Livermore's getting off a railroad track before you are crushed by an oncoming express train method (middle of Page 25):

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On the way up to the $380s the SP increased if there was bad news or good news. Just before the SP started the decline to about $315, which took our entire portfolio (one share and 71 J19 $380's) from about $540k to about $320k (still about $140k of profit) there was some good news that triggered an SP dip. My wife asked me what that meant. I said; "I don't know, but it's not good." Now I know that meant that I should have jumped off the tracks!

I that I will learn other method(s) from Michael Jenkins. I hope to post more information about Michael before Monday.


LInk to the complete pdf of Jesse Livermore's book "How To Trade In Stocks 1940":
Jesse_Livermore-How_To_Trade_In_Stocks_1940_OCR.pdf
 
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Selling DITM puts -- not *too* far out -- is an excellent way to acquire stock at a discount when the time value on options is high, as it is on TSLA right now.

Only occasionally does the stock skyrocket up past your strike price -- that's the risk, then you don't get any stock. You still got the premium.

I'd be doing this more if my position wasn't already over my planned "don't add any more" position size. I did a *lot* of it back in November.

Yes I do this as well. At times, I even sold stock to free up margin and to sell puts (as suggested above). Paid out handsomely.

When stock does rise too quickly, I was able to roll the put to a higher strike (for a credit). But there might come a time, when the stocks jumps up too quickly and you loose part of that rise.
 
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I believe that there is an excellent chance that the market will either have, or start a substantial decline (10%-20% for 2-3 months) by the end of October. Possibly starting as soon as next week. If that happens it will present huge opportunities.

Jesse Livermore:
Livermore continued to make money in the bull markets of the 1920s. In 1929, he noticed market conditions similar to that of the 1907 market. He began shorting various stocks and adding to his positions, and they kept declining in price. When just about everyone in the markets lost money in the Wall Street crash of 1929, Livermore was worth $100 million after his short-selling profits.

Jesse Livermore: The Greatest Trader Who Ever Lived
He returned to New York with what he termed a “fair-sized roll.” Then, on April 16, 1906, he was hit by a premonition. With no warning, he yielded to a strange urge to sell short a thousand shares of Union Pacific railroad—an urge even he admitted he didn’t understand. Two days later, the San Francisco Earthquake hit. and the Union Pacific was decimated; he’d made $250,000 literally overnight.

The reason that he made so much in the market crashes isn't a coincidence. It's because markets never crash up and individual stocks almost never crash up.

That means that if the market has either a substantial correction, or a crash it's a huge opportunity that doesn’t happen very often. The Macro Thread has a lot of excellent discussion about protecting assets, but don't remember anything about taking advantage of the potential opportunity.

Our crystal ball (my wife's intuition) has the SP varying between about $312 in early September, rising to about $320 in early November. She thinks that there's going to be some kind of macro shock. I decided to try to find someone else with more experience who might be able to help us navigate the next few months and discovered Michael S Jenkins and subscribed to his SCF newsletter and his nightly phone calls:
Michael S. Jenkins
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Mr. Jenkins has worked in bank trust departments as a portfolio manager, ran three mutual funds and was in the top ten managers in the world in the late 70’s and early 80’s. In 1984 he moved to NYC to become a professional trader for a number of NYSE Specialist firms. In the past, he has been licensed as a stockbroker, commodity broker, hedge fund manager, and investment advisor. In 1985 he founded the Stock Cycles Forecast investment newsletter which has correctly called almost every major bull and bear market turn in the past 25 years including the 1987 crash, the 1990 break, the year 2000 bear market and its exact lows in 2002 and 2003, and recently predicted the final top in 2007 within two days. Because of this notoriety he was a weekly guest on CNBC for 12 years and is the frequent subject of magazine articles on trading and technical analysis. He has written four books and two courses on professional stock market trading and is considered an authority on cycles in the economy and the stock market.
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I have not investigated his past record but I love his newsletter and his nightly phone calls. His newsletter and phone calls are pretty close to my wife's projections (except he is much more cautious). I asked his permission to post one of his newsletters and some recordings of his calls.
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Not an advice!
If you believe that there is a substantial chance that he and my wife are correct it would be prudent IMO not to have a substantial amount of calls that expire before J19's. It would also be prudent to keep some dry powder on hand to be able to take advantage of potential opportunities, and to be prepared mentally to do that.

I love the "cyclic turns" and the "activity calendars" in his newsletters. I think I could probably make a living by using the "cyclic turns" for TSLA, AMZN and GOOG.

Some quotes from his newsletters and emails:

The newsletter cyclic turns are simple day trading cycles that are often good for 3 to 6 days and usually $10-$20 for day traders and weekly options players. Occasionally they will coincide with the final high or low for the year if the rest of the market gives a signal. the 8/15 one on TSLA would normally be a top as it went up into it and the price is back to the 'low of the high bar' sell signal back in June.

Three more cyclic turns:
AMZN - 08-18
TSLA - 08/31
GOOG - 08/31
TSLA - 09/22
These squares are very popular and all the traders use them, and you can't trade AMZN or TSLA without using them as every single hit in their charts are on these Cardinal and Fixed crosses in calendar days.

In regards the nightly hotwire I don't 'recommend' trades other than to say we will scalp long the emini above 2437 and short below 2429 (tomorrow). I assume my listeners who are members of the stock exchange and largely hedge funds- are competent traders and know how to use stops and reverse- and the word 'scalp' eminis implies at least 7 trades of buying the dip or shorting the rally on either side of my levels each day. I do give the targets of the main trend and what the next day likely will be i.e. strength in morning with a 3 PM top (tomorrow) and down opening Wednesday.

My nightly levels are for emini day traders who trade 5-7 times each day and the average profit or loss is 1.75 points, to 3-4 points on momentum days. Then they always reverse for 45 minutes or so. All the swings over a day from extreme high to low run 14-18 points on normal days.

You must understand that 'crashes' and panics are rare. We have seen more in the last 20 years then the prior 100. This is because of the evolution of technology- in 1987 the invention of the S&P future and OEX options in 1983 and the first derivatives, in 1998 the over shorting of options by institutions destroyed liquidity, in 2000 the over concentration of ETF QQQ names in all the institutions (not really a crash), and in 2010 and 2015 'flash' crashes of 1000 point down days as high speed electronic trading went thru all stop levels in the market. We are currently due a typical bear market not a crash. It will be a slow decline like 1973-1973 or early 2008. The institutions adjust to each evolution with new strategies so you must have a news item spark to catch them off guard. Right now they use formulas to invest based on the VIX or the XIV inverse ETF and as volatility increases they sell and after three days of a declining volatility they buy. The options are created by Goldman and others who short them to you at a price that will not make you money unless you are very good at outguessing the volatility since they have tens of billions of house capital to 'drive' the market to any level they need to so that 90% of all options will expire each week. The only way to beat them is with a letter like mine that specializes in cycles so you know where they will be looking up and selling cheap put premiums but the cycles are peaking. Unfortunately just now there are so many cycles peaking for a long term decline of years just ahead we won't have a sharp single day spike but more likely a gradual rollover like we have seen since June. This time frame extends into October for top with the next big event on Sept 5th. This is why I emphasize sell signals on all the time frames (daily, weekly, monthly) before getting aggressive with shorts. While my bias is for a top, I am a professional trader who has to make money every single day so crossing any 50% swing on a 1 min or 15 min or 60 min chart would at least turn me bullish for those time period durations UNTIL I see a series of lower lows and lower highs. We are only getting to minor ones now with NO big time frame confirmations like consecutive weekly lows or month lows broken, nor do we see any price momentum on the downside. Until that happens all options will expire worthless as Goldman shorts the puts (creating buy programs) and uses house capital to insure the outcome. They only lose control when there are MULTIPLE institutional sellers competing for bids and so far all we see is one at a time liquidating with limits as early sellers. Until the FANGS all have lower highs and lower lows on a weekly chart the market will still be under their control.

The options on the SPY are the way to go for 3 days at a time or once we break 2380 insuring that they will not make a new high for at least 6 months. Otherwise you will have better premiums on individual stocks that are not in the baskets Goldman needs to manipulate to keep the market averages flat and crush the premiums.

My newsletter gives the 'big picture' about once every other or third letter when I update the outlook for the two to three year decline and its shape and characteristics. I list individual stocks in each letter that have all the cyclic characteristics of the market while we are waiting and no big break will occur until these individual leaders you watch daily turn. Right now the clear downside leader is GS and the fractal suggests 6 weeks or so to a low but it looks to be more of a drift than a crash. If you study 2007 from the October top to the Spring of 2008 you will see you had six months of 3 week modest swings and each came back 3/4ths the break keeping everyone guessing. This current market will likely be the same as the FED also buys S&P baskets these days to prevent any 'crashes' so it's likely to be a perpetual liquidation each day of ETF baskets once the decline sets in. Remember 90% of a cycles damage in done in the last 10% i.e. the 1987 financial panic was really only 55 Fib days and the 'crash ' was the last 5 days only where all the money was made. That's why Gann and Livermore knew that you WAITED for the distribution at the top to be complete and on the first obvious and significant break you then went short and made the most amount of money in the shortest amount of time (i.e. options). If we are looking at a two year decline, the best trades will be the last 3 months out 1 and a half years or more from the start. Livermore had that kind of patience. My newsletter and hotwire will definitely warn you when the break starts and also give you inside info on the big accounts showing up to sell and the arbitrage programs coming up in September and if the entire month will be up or down as the baskets need to roll out to the December future creating liquidations that can't be stopped if the premiums collapse enough. Usually that top is the end of the first week in the quarter when Goldman engineers the last rally and goes short for the next three weeks.

the only currently bearish thing is the break on news validating a down cycle, but we are still barely 50-60 S&P points off the top so there is still no downside momentum.


From the most recent newsletter
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Many cycles have already topped but the market hasn't gone down. My experience has been that when that happens you are dealing with a great many cycles that all are culminating prior to a very long term downtrend. As each cycle tops they individually take several weeks to develop downside pressure but each week another cycle is reaching its peak and so the market goes sideways or slightly up or down and often has a last gasp short squeeze to a record high before reversing very swiftly and permanently. This is why both Gann and Livermore said that the fastest way to make the most amount of money in the quickest time, is to wait for the distribution to be complete and then short on the first major breakaway to the downside. The key is the patience to wait for a definitive sign that all the big legs up are done and they are actually breaking weekly or monthly lows on declines. Many individual stocks have begun this process but the bulls have channeled all their remaining reserves into the FANGS and a few dozen other big cap names that make up the serious weights in the indexes so they won't break until these individuals break. A lot like the 'nifty fifty' false rally into January 1973 which set the peak for the two year 50% decline in '73 and '74.

FOUR audio phone calls files. I intend to post a link to an audio file every night through Friday Sep 15, as well as any trades I make until this situation is resolved or until I'm banned from posting, whatever happens first:
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If we are looking at a two year decline, the best trades will be the last 3 months out 1 and a half years or more from the start. Livermore had that kind of patience. My newsletter and hotwire will definitely warn you when the break starts and also give you inside info on the big accounts showing up to sell and the arbitrage programs coming up in September and if the entire month will be up or down as the baskets need to roll out to the December future creating liquidations that can't be stopped if the premiums collapse enough.

I certainly respect your decision to post your trades to the thread. However, you have to be right twice in order to make out better than just holding your positions. You have to sell at a peak, and then buy back later. You seem to have done step one correctly, but TSLA just might pass your sell point tomorrow and I don't think you have bought back in yet. There very well may be a better buy in position in the future two - three months, but the quoted part of your newsletter states the most profits are to be made at the tail end of the cycle. Sounds a lot like the trend is your friend.

If you are concerned about macros, why not keep your leaps and then sell short calls against them? Your published buy back in position is around $318 if I recall correctly? If you had a $300 leap, you could sell six month calls at $360 for $42 which would give you downside protection to $318 while allowing you to keep your core leap position and get long term capital gains treatment. If the stock dips as you surmise to $320ish, then you buy the calls back at a 50-75% discount and all the while your leaps age and then get treated as long term capital gains. Selling calls allows the volatility to work in your favor.

As for me, I'll be selling Jan 2018 $450 calls against my Jan 18 $300s if we make it back to the $380s before the Semi reveal.