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We must face facts - meat is the problem
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Using wet markets as the example of environmental/ecologic damage makes it entirely an East problem. A good argument for saying we shouldn't do anything in the West because we can't control China.
There in lies the rub for any action on climate change. Why should the US make any sacrifices when we are all doomed anyway?
The smart long term action may be to seal borders - very Trumpian. Arguably, the US could survive ok with a strong military and lots of walls. If it wasn't for those darn missiles and nukes we could shut out the world and survive ok (having Canada to cool off in and grow crops would be really helpful).
There in lies the rub for any action on climate change. Why should the US make any sacrifices when we are all doomed anyway?
The smart long term action may be to seal borders - very Trumpian. Arguably, the US could survive ok with a strong military and lots of walls. If it wasn't for those darn missiles and nukes we could shut out the world and survive ok (having Canada to cool off in and grow crops would be really helpful).
We've always included industrial meat farms as part of the problem. Swine flu. Avian flu.
New'We did it to ourselves': scientist says intrusion into nature led to pandemic
'We did it to ourselves': scientist says intrusion into nature led to pandemic
Lovejoy said separating wild animals from farmed animals in markets would significantly lower the risk of disease transmission. This is because there would be fewer new species for viruses to latch on to. “[Domesticated animals] can acquire these viruses, but if that’s all there was in the market, it would really lower the probability of a leak from a wild animal to a domesticated animal.”
The pandemic will cost the global economy $1tn this year, according to the World Economic Forum, with vulnerable communities impacted the most, and nearly half of all jobs in Africa could be lost. “This is not nature’s revenge, we did it to ourselves. The solution is to have a much more respectful approach to nature, which includes dealing with climate change and all the rest,” Lovejoy said.
'We did it to ourselves': scientist says intrusion into nature led to pandemic
Lovejoy said separating wild animals from farmed animals in markets would significantly lower the risk of disease transmission. This is because there would be fewer new species for viruses to latch on to. “[Domesticated animals] can acquire these viruses, but if that’s all there was in the market, it would really lower the probability of a leak from a wild animal to a domesticated animal.”
The pandemic will cost the global economy $1tn this year, according to the World Economic Forum, with vulnerable communities impacted the most, and nearly half of all jobs in Africa could be lost. “This is not nature’s revenge, we did it to ourselves. The solution is to have a much more respectful approach to nature, which includes dealing with climate change and all the rest,” Lovejoy said.
Germany's Covid-19 expert: 'For many, I'm the evil guy crippling the economy'
Germany's Covid-19 expert: 'For many, I'm the evil guy crippling the economy'
Q: Are human activities responsible for the spillover of coronaviruses from animals into people?
Coronaviruses are prone to switch hosts when there is opportunity, and we create such opportunities through our non-natural use of animals – livestock. Livestock animals are exposed to wildlife, they are kept in large groups that can amplify the virus, and humans have intense contact with them – for example through the consumption of meat – so they certainly represent a possible trajectory of emergence for coronaviruses. Camels count as livestock in the Middle East, and they are the host of the Mers virus as well as human coronavirus 229E – which is one cause of the common cold – while cattle were the original hosts for coronavirus OC43, which is another.
Germany's Covid-19 expert: 'For many, I'm the evil guy crippling the economy'
Q: Are human activities responsible for the spillover of coronaviruses from animals into people?
Coronaviruses are prone to switch hosts when there is opportunity, and we create such opportunities through our non-natural use of animals – livestock. Livestock animals are exposed to wildlife, they are kept in large groups that can amplify the virus, and humans have intense contact with them – for example through the consumption of meat – so they certainly represent a possible trajectory of emergence for coronaviruses. Camels count as livestock in the Middle East, and they are the host of the Mers virus as well as human coronavirus 229E – which is one cause of the common cold – while cattle were the original hosts for coronavirus OC43, which is another.
There is a single species responsible for the Covid-19 pandemic – us,” they said. “Recent pandemics are a direct consequence of human activity, particularly our global financial and economic systems that prize economic growth at any cost. We have a small window of opportunity, in overcoming the challenges of the current crisis, to avoid sowing the seeds of future ones.”
In an article published on Monday, with Dr Peter Daszak, who is preparing the next IPBES assessment, they write: “Rampant deforestation, uncontrolled expansion of agriculture, intensive farming, mining and infrastructure development, as well as the exploitation of wild species have created a ‘perfect storm’ for the spillover of diseases.”
These activities cause pandemics by bringing more people into contact and conflict with animals, from which 70% of emerging human diseases originate, they said. Combined with urbanisation and the explosive growth of global air travel, this enabled a harmless virus in Asian bats to bring “untold human suffering and halt economies and societies around the world. This is the human hand in pandemic emergence. Yet [Covid-19] may be only the beginning.”
A global “One Health” approach must also be expanded, they said. “The health of people is intimately connected to the health of wildlife, the health of livestock and the health of the environment. It’s actually one health,” said Daszak.
It is the consequence of our persistent and excessive intrusion in nature and the vast illegal wildlife trade, and in particular the wildlife markets, the wet markets, of south Asia and bush meat markets of Africa,” he said. Earlier in April, a major study found that the human impact on wildlife was to blame for the spread of viruses
Halt destruction of nature or suffer even worse pandemics, say world’s top scientists
Halt destruction of nature or suffer even worse pandemics, say world’s top scientists
In an article published on Monday, with Dr Peter Daszak, who is preparing the next IPBES assessment, they write: “Rampant deforestation, uncontrolled expansion of agriculture, intensive farming, mining and infrastructure development, as well as the exploitation of wild species have created a ‘perfect storm’ for the spillover of diseases.”
These activities cause pandemics by bringing more people into contact and conflict with animals, from which 70% of emerging human diseases originate, they said. Combined with urbanisation and the explosive growth of global air travel, this enabled a harmless virus in Asian bats to bring “untold human suffering and halt economies and societies around the world. This is the human hand in pandemic emergence. Yet [Covid-19] may be only the beginning.”
A global “One Health” approach must also be expanded, they said. “The health of people is intimately connected to the health of wildlife, the health of livestock and the health of the environment. It’s actually one health,” said Daszak.
It is the consequence of our persistent and excessive intrusion in nature and the vast illegal wildlife trade, and in particular the wildlife markets, the wet markets, of south Asia and bush meat markets of Africa,” he said. Earlier in April, a major study found that the human impact on wildlife was to blame for the spread of viruses
Halt destruction of nature or suffer even worse pandemics, say world’s top scientists
Halt destruction of nature or suffer even worse pandemics, say world’s top scientists
Another polluting industry shutting down.
CNN: 'The food supply chain is breaking,' Tyson says as plants close.
Tyson Foods warns that "the food supply chain is breaking' as plants close - CNN
US farmers don't have anywhere to sell their livestock, he said, adding that "millions of animals — chickens, pigs and cattle — will be depopulated because of the closure of our processing facilities."
Pork processing plants have been hit especially hard, with three of the largest in the United States going offline indefinitely— Smithfield Foods in Sioux Falls, South Dakota; JBS pork processing in Worthington, Minnesota; and the Tyson plant in Waterloo, Iowa. Together, the three plants account for approximately 15% of pork production.
CNN: 'The food supply chain is breaking,' Tyson says as plants close.
Tyson Foods warns that "the food supply chain is breaking' as plants close - CNN
US farmers don't have anywhere to sell their livestock, he said, adding that "millions of animals — chickens, pigs and cattle — will be depopulated because of the closure of our processing facilities."
Pork processing plants have been hit especially hard, with three of the largest in the United States going offline indefinitely— Smithfield Foods in Sioux Falls, South Dakota; JBS pork processing in Worthington, Minnesota; and the Tyson plant in Waterloo, Iowa. Together, the three plants account for approximately 15% of pork production.
Cheeseburgers
“You take a cheeseburger and you dip it in butter, you soak it in butter, and you insert it in your rectum,” said the actor, adding that the cheeseburger would suck out all the poison and “kill the virus dead.”
Instagram post by Alec Baldwin • Apr 24, 2020 at 8:39pm UTC
“You take a cheeseburger and you dip it in butter, you soak it in butter, and you insert it in your rectum,” said the actor, adding that the cheeseburger would suck out all the poison and “kill the virus dead.”
Instagram post by Alec Baldwin • Apr 24, 2020 at 8:39pm UTC
Pork Producers Plan to Kill Baby Pigs Unless they Get $1 Billion Government Bailout
The National Pork Producers Council (NPPC) is trading pigs for a bailout. According to Mercy for Animals, the NPPC is threatening to kill pigs in return for a $1 billion government bailout.
The National Pork Producers Council (NPPC) is trading pigs for a bailout. According to Mercy for Animals, the NPPC is threatening to kill pigs in return for a $1 billion government bailout.
Vegas
Member
Hey, I know we're a long way away, but don't lock the Aussies out - and you can visit here anytime - think of us as the distant Canadians
Rarely have more true words been spoken, and yet he still manages to make it funny. Bill Maher is a true asset; he should be cloned:
In his editorial New Rule, Bill contends that humans can’t trash the environment – including animals – and not have it come back and kill them.
In his editorial New Rule, Bill contends that humans can’t trash the environment – including animals – and not have it come back and kill them.
Millions of farm animals culled as US food supply chain chokes up
Millions of farm animals culled as US food supply chain chokes up
At least two million animals have already reportedly been culled on farm, and that number is expected to rise. Approved methods for slaughtering poultry include slow suffocation by covering them with foam, or by shutting off the ventilation into the barns.
Millions of farm animals culled as US food supply chain chokes up
At least two million animals have already reportedly been culled on farm, and that number is expected to rise. Approved methods for slaughtering poultry include slow suffocation by covering them with foam, or by shutting off the ventilation into the barns.
Trump to order meat-processing plants to continue operating amid pandemic
Trump to order meat-processing plants to continue operating amid pandemic
Donald Trump is set to sign an executive order on Tuesday meant to soften the blow of a chicken and pork shortage among other meat on American supermarket shelves.
The order will use the Defense Production Act to classify meat processing as critical infrastructure, forcing meat production plants to stay open as the president and agricultural leaders say the coronavirus outbreak is threatening the country’s food supply.
Trump has elevated a looming standoff between America’s meat corporations that have resisted closures and labor unions who have called for increased safety measures, followed by shutdowns, to stop the virus’s spread.
“We only wish that this administration cared as much about the lives of working people as it does about meat, pork and poultry products,” Stuart Appelbaum, president of the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union, told Bloomberg.
Trump to order meat-processing plants to continue operating amid pandemic
Donald Trump is set to sign an executive order on Tuesday meant to soften the blow of a chicken and pork shortage among other meat on American supermarket shelves.
The order will use the Defense Production Act to classify meat processing as critical infrastructure, forcing meat production plants to stay open as the president and agricultural leaders say the coronavirus outbreak is threatening the country’s food supply.
Trump has elevated a looming standoff between America’s meat corporations that have resisted closures and labor unions who have called for increased safety measures, followed by shutdowns, to stop the virus’s spread.
“We only wish that this administration cared as much about the lives of working people as it does about meat, pork and poultry products,” Stuart Appelbaum, president of the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union, told Bloomberg.
ladysbff
Member
Thank you for posting these articles. The photos of the meat processing lines are horrific to look at.
Garlic for cows to reduce methane?
The Business of Burps: Scientists Smell Profit in Cow Emissions The Business of Burps: Scientists Smell Profit in Cow Emissions
If they were a country, cows would rank as the world’s sixth-largest emitter,
Methane is a main byproduct of the enzymes that help break down the food. The gas can’t be turned into energy, so as it builds up, a cow must burp, sending little puffs of pollution into the atmosphere. (A small amount is released by farting.) Up to 12 percent of a cow’s energy intake from food is lost this way.
The Business of Burps: Scientists Smell Profit in Cow Emissions The Business of Burps: Scientists Smell Profit in Cow Emissions
If they were a country, cows would rank as the world’s sixth-largest emitter,
Methane is a main byproduct of the enzymes that help break down the food. The gas can’t be turned into energy, so as it builds up, a cow must burp, sending little puffs of pollution into the atmosphere. (A small amount is released by farting.) Up to 12 percent of a cow’s energy intake from food is lost this way.
'We're modern slaves': How meat plant workers became the new frontline in Covid-19 war
'We're modern slaves': How meat plant workers became the new frontline in Covid-19 war
“For the last two months people have been dying from the coronavirus and we’ve been asking the White House to put something in effect to protect workers. Now, all of a sudden, with employees getting sicker and sicker, and fed up of going to work, Trump found it necessary to support big business,” Fields said.
After seven weeks in the slaughterhouses of Chicago, the journalist Upton Sinclair wrote The Jungle, a 1906 novel which described the grim conditions inside. “There were things that went into the sausage in comparison with which a poisoned rat was a tidbit,” Sinclair wrote.
'We're modern slaves': How meat plant workers became the new frontline in Covid-19 war
“For the last two months people have been dying from the coronavirus and we’ve been asking the White House to put something in effect to protect workers. Now, all of a sudden, with employees getting sicker and sicker, and fed up of going to work, Trump found it necessary to support big business,” Fields said.
After seven weeks in the slaughterhouses of Chicago, the journalist Upton Sinclair wrote The Jungle, a 1906 novel which described the grim conditions inside. “There were things that went into the sausage in comparison with which a poisoned rat was a tidbit,” Sinclair wrote.
Trump is marching meatpacking workers off to their deaths
Trump is marching meatpacking workers off to their deaths | Steven Greenhouse
In ordering the nation’s meat plants to stay open, Donald Trump is in essence marching many meatpacking workers off to slaughter. With his executive order on Tuesday night, the president is in effect overruling safety-minded governors and mayors who have pressured numerous meat, pork and poultry plants into shutting temporarily after they had become hotspots that were spreading Covid-19 through their surrounding communities. With such a move, Trump is – let’s not mince words here – is showing contempt for both workers’ health and public health.
Trump is marching meatpacking workers off to their deaths | Steven Greenhouse
In ordering the nation’s meat plants to stay open, Donald Trump is in essence marching many meatpacking workers off to slaughter. With his executive order on Tuesday night, the president is in effect overruling safety-minded governors and mayors who have pressured numerous meat, pork and poultry plants into shutting temporarily after they had become hotspots that were spreading Covid-19 through their surrounding communities. With such a move, Trump is – let’s not mince words here – is showing contempt for both workers’ health and public health.
Climate Explained: How the climate impact of beef compares with plant-based alternatives
For example, we found 1 kilogram of beef purchased at the supermarket produces 14 times the emissions of whole, protein-rich plant foods like lentils, beans and chickpeas. Even the most emissions-intensive plant foods, such as rice, are still more than four times more climate-friendly than beef.
For example, we found 1 kilogram of beef purchased at the supermarket produces 14 times the emissions of whole, protein-rich plant foods like lentils, beans and chickpeas. Even the most emissions-intensive plant foods, such as rice, are still more than four times more climate-friendly than beef.
deonb
Active Member
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
Please watch this clip on wet markets, then decide for yourself if you want to keep using that term:
At this point labeling everything called a "wet market" as some sort of evil boogieman is starting to border on xenophobia.